What is the pricing? On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:53 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> potato potatoe > > We are pulling the trigger on it. Im just thinking how much more bits I > can get out of our network now. Our smartaligner just arrived, so we will > be able to put in super accurate info. Problem customers, we have a tool > now to identify better mounting locations, new installs I know will be in > the best location instead of the easiest (yeah, no, I know installers) but > at least the probabilities are much more better > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> Yep, you’re arguing about semantics. The difference between “free” and >> “a tool that pays for itself” is hard to see. Some people would use the >> term “no-brainer”. >> >> >> >> Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> It's a figure of speech. >> >> On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for >> itself. >> >> >> There's no such thing as free, Bernie. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Suite 1337 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of >> customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one >> recurring flight plan for the whole year. >> >> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. You >> could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and >> burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's >> that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. >> >> >> >> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in >> line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs >> too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech >> installs >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees >> near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. >> >> >> >> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall >> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that >> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller >> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything >> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the >> south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees >> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story >> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of >> the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen >> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> that would be a discussion to have with them. >> >> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds >> is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation >> to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically >> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR >> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was >> supported. 900 was on the road map. >> >> Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >> > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 >> > >> > Jeff Broadwick >> > CTIconnect >> > 312-205-2519 Office >> > 574-220-7826 Cell >> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >> > >> >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> What frequencies does it support? >> >> >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >> >>> *From:* Steve Jones >> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never >> know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of >> hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they >> help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and >> more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But >> they're hard to keep watered. >> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site >> >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of >> >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few >> >>> mega sites it could make sense. >> >>> >> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve >> Jones >> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM >> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >>> >> >>> much much more than free >> >>> >> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output >> >>> >> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and >> >>> applied it to our real world. >> >>> >> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site >> >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled >> >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself >> >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we >> >>> missed. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? >> >>> >> >>> *From:*Steve Jones >> >>> >> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM >> >>> >> >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >>> >> >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat >> >>> >> >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this >> >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal >> >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to >> >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the >> >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we >> >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time >> >>> didnt grab it) >> >>> >> >>> there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been >> >>> bad long term. >> >>> >> >>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to >> >>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half >> >>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come >> >>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 >> >>> cbrs stuff >> >>> >> >>> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a >> >>> picture and have a best location target, install survey times >> >>> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good >> >>> spot, and on the probably best spot. >> >>> >> >>> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. >> >>> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see >> >>> where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the >> >>> other two components are crazy perfect too >> >>> >> >>> like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and >> >>> its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all >> >>> familiar with that here. >> >>> >> >>> This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I >> >>> can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and >> >>> how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ---- >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ---- >> >>> -- >> >>> AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> *Jay Weekley* >> >> *Cyber Broadband >> >> * >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> AF@af.afmug.com >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > >> >> -- >> *Jay Weekley* >> *Cyber Broadband >> * >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Jason Wilson Remotely Located Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 530-651-1736 530-748-9608 Cell www.remotelylocated.com
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