only thing it does not have is wind turbines, that data would be nice to have in there
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 4:45 PM Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > How does it compare to TowerCoverage? That seems expensive compared to > what I pay them. We use it everyday with great success. I really can not > think of an install that we lost because of it. Did any of you switch and > why? > > > > *From: *AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Dan Sullivan via AF < > af@af.afmug.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Date: *Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:40 PM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Cc: *Dan Sullivan <daniel.sulli...@cambiumnetworks.com> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat > > > > If a site costs $12.50 per month and you save a failed install or go > exactly right to the correct spot on a good install, time savings and > equipment wear and tear will be realized on first install call. > > > > Can use tool to look for locations of previous DNQs. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 11:40 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > Yep, you’re arguing about semantics. The difference between “free” and “a > tool that pays for itself” is hard to see. Some people would use the term > “no-brainer”. > > > > Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > It's a figure of speech. > > On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for > itself. > > > There's no such thing as free, Bernie. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of > customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one > recurring flight plan for the whole year. > > On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. You > could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and > burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's > that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. > > > > On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in > line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs > too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech > installs > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees > near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. > > > > I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall > skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that > grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller > than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything > was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the > south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees > were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story > roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of > the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen > to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > that would be a discussion to have with them. > > LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is > amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to > where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically > looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR > data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was > supported. 900 was on the road map. > > Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: > >> > >> What frequencies does it support? > >> > >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? > >>> *From:* Steve Jones > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never > know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of > hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they > help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and > more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But > they're hard to keep watered. > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site > >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of > >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few > >>> mega sites it could make sense. > >>> > >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Jones > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> > >>> much much more than free > >>> > >>> but much much less input and much much much more output > >>> > >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and > >>> applied it to our real world. > >>> > >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site > >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled > >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself > >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we > >>> missed. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? > >>> > >>> *From:*Steve Jones > >>> > >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM > >>> > >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> > >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> > >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this > >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal > >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to > >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the > >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we > >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time > >>> didnt grab it) > >>> > >>> there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been > >>> bad long term. > >>> > >>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to > >>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half > >>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come > >>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 > >>> cbrs stuff > >>> > >>> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a > >>> picture and have a best location target, install survey times > >>> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good > >>> spot, and on the probably best spot. > >>> > >>> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. > >>> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see > >>> where we missed revenue options. 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