My experience with doctor are they are, on average, not all that intelligent although willing to work long hours and put of reward now for lots more later. They also sick at praying there bills.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Interesting how low O2 might not be as bad as the numbers say because CO2 > is also low. And that just oxygen through those little tubes in your nose > with no pressure might be just as good or better. > > > > I think we treat doctors like infallible gods. I used to believe > everything they said. Over time I have become more skeptical. I think > sometimes they do things because that’s what they always do. Or in normal > times because it’s what insurance will pay for or what makes the most money > for their employer, I don’t think that is the case now. It’s interesting > the big hit on hospital revenues and profits right now is that all the > elective procedures are being put off, and that’s where they make a lot of > their money. It’s also interesting that with people staying home, there’s > less car accidents and shootings and stuff, so nearly all the ER cases are > Covid. Except for all the people sick, dying, and out of work, life is > actually better during a pandemic. People are spending time with their > kids and walking the dog and exercising. Pollution is down. Gas is > cheap. Doesn’t make up for the bad stuff though. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:20 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks > > > > Does not sound pleasant. And if it makes things worse... Maybe they will > have one of those plastic diving bell things instead. Or does that make it > worse too? > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 5:00 PM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks > > > > I’m starting to think if I get sent to the hospital I need to try and make > clear I don’t want to be intubated. > > > https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/ > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:53 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks > > > > Some of the analysis I've been reading has speculated that there is some > genetic component to this; sort of like HIV does not affect approximately > 20% of the population who have a certain genetic mutation. There is a > growing consensus that the pneumonia is only one aspect of the infection. > Sure, it can be bad, but it's not been the main factor when people die. The > second thing appears to be some sort of immune system over-reaction. People > who have the extreme immune reaction seem to be at a real disadvantage. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 4/8/2020 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > It’s so strange that some people are asymptomatic. Yet for many people > the symptoms are terrible and go on for a long time. Like Chris Cuomo has > described (not sure why he’s still on TV). Or I read that Amy Klobuchar’s > husband had to go to the hospital when he started puking up blood. It > can’t just be age or underlying conditions, those are both relatively young > people in good health. Yet other people don’t even know they had it, I > guess they’re the Typhoid Mary’s of Covid 19. > > > > Maybe there’s a genetic factor to what you’re describing. > > > > Supposedly the limiting factor to how many people can be put on > ventilators might be they are running out of the sedatives they use when > they intubate people. And they’re running out of swabs to test people. > Damn, can’t we make anything? I guess the “just in time” economy is > literally killing us. > > > > I read something about Finland being the preppers of the Baltic. Unlike > Sweden and Norway they are still paranoid about Russia and have maintained > their Cold War era preparedness. They probably have lots of toilet paper. > They also have lots of medical equipment and PPE, although if they are N95 > masks from 1950 they might not be in prime condition. Apparently Finland > shares a border with Russia and has access only to the Baltic Sea, not the > North Atlantic. > > > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On > Behalf Of *Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:51 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com > <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks > > > > There is an antibody test now available and a lab in town here doing it. > Priority is given to first responders, and it's already a month out. > However, I read an article yesterday that had lots of info on how the virus > acts and they were saying ventilators may be making it worse. Apparently, > the virus latches on to the heme in your hemoglobin in your red cells, > disassociating the toxic oxidative iron ion that attracts the O2. This > prevents O2 from bonding to the red blood cells. To make matters worse, it > is a permanent condition and the only fix is generating or introducing new > red blood cells that can carry oxygen. Your kidneys start producing > erythropoietin which tells your bone marrow to start ramping up production. > That toxic iron now running around overwhelms the epithelial surface of the > lungs which usually takes care of this stuff when it occurs naturally. This > leads to damage and inflammation in the lungs, not pneumonia. So, now your > liver kicks up its iron storage capability but soon gets overwhelmed and > starts releasing ALT which is a cry for help. At that point, it is almost > too late. If you bone marrow can't produce new red cells faster than the > virus attacks them, it's all over. No amount of forcing air into the lungs > will help. Providing pure oxygen like in a hyperbaric chamber may, but > direct blood transfusions with healthy red cells is the best chance as > there are not a lot of hyperbaric chambers around. So, Hydroxychloroquine > works the same way it does on malaria (which by the way attacks hemoglobin > as well), by preventing the virus from attaching to the hemoglobin. It also > lowers the blood pH helping to stop the replication of the virus. If you > can keep your cells carrying oxygen and slow down virus replication, Your > body can probably handle the rest. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:15 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > What everyone tries not to talk about is there’s evidently not that much a > hospital can do. If you just need IV fluids and oxygen, sure. But if you > need one of those ventilators, the prognosis is grim. It sounds like the > survival rate for people who are intubated is somewhere in the 20 to 40% > range. > > > > Obviously if the hospitals get overrun, now you get Italy, where the > mortality fate even for non-Covid cases skyrockets. > > > > I’m agreeing with you here, but we’re buying time until (a) universal > testing (b) testing to see who has recovered and has at least temporary > immunity, (c) new therapies being tested that could be more effective than > ventilators, and (d) a vaccine. > > > > BTW, the TV news was just talking about Los Angeles where businesses can > now refuse to serve people not wearing masks, to protect frontline workers > in essential businesses. Reporter in the field said he observed people > talking loudly about people NOT wearing masks. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:46 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks > > > > We drove 1.5 hrs to a town with no reported infections ( yeah lot of bs > that is ) and were shopping is a safeway for 15 minutes, the safeway had > all the precautions and people wiping stuff down. Then some lady without > a mask ( this is in California where masks are supposed to be required ) > started hacking up a lung right by the checkout counters, 1/2 way into her > bare elbow. It was pretty obvious that this wasn't an ordinary coughing > fit. We were all decked out in PPE but that drove home decontaminating > when we got home. But the wife doesn't get it. 8/10's isn't good > enough. We are going to come down with it somewhere along the line. It's > certain. Just hope it is after the hospitals are past the worst point so > that we can get taken care of instead of triaged. So I will stay away and > hope that I don't get someone else sick... > > On 4/7/20 7:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > No, sorry. The redneck and his woman were not wearing masks. > > > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:11 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks > > > > Very confused by this story. Other people wearing masks made fun of you > wearing a mask? > > > On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store. > Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer > mom.... then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife. Started > clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video. > Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make > out exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky > woman.... > > > > Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into > action. I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of > pork and beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”. Visions > of a throat punch were clear in my head... > > > > But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a > dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone. Ran into a handful > of other chickens on the way out the store. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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