Well, if you're just going to your spot out back, there aren't doorknobs, etc. to touch... might actually be more sanitary.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place. Like > an unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you added a > workshop suddenly you did. Not sure how to square that with the current > situation. If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee > behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did > that then maybe that's the same as having a bathroom. Maybe everybody can > mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :) > > > > On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > So got an update > Anybody curious, this is for Illinois. > IDPH hotline 18008893931 > option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms > Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a > few minutes > > If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more > than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test > > > The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office > where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic > precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for > more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week > supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding > people that work there. > > Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not > fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage > and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for > remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send > the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing > an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will > be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the > garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol > stocked at night. > > Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and > all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home. > > I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as > minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they > wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs > and towers for a while if its reasonable weight. > > Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some > pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the > customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if > customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover > equipment later > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> You can pick your friends. >> And you can pick your nose. >> But you can’t pick your friend’s nose. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Up your nose with a rubber hose. >> >> -Vinny Barbarino >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >> >> >> >> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any >> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's >> nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool. >> >> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm >> saying). >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote: >> >> Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the customer may >> have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could >> have enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching >> and getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around. Touch his face >> with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round.. Touch his >> truck and someone else touches it.. Less likely but possible. 3-7 DAYS >> on metal surfaces is really bad if not sanitized. Door bells are a bad >> thing.. Gates are a bad thing.. >> >> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet >> to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >> >> >> >> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer >> interactions on March 16th. >> >> >> >> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets >> infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew. >> >> >> >> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. >> >> >> >> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside. >> Internet is not worth someone dying over! >> >> >> >> -Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently >> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was >> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin >> out he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my >> stuff. He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal >> about this since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had >> no contact closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly. >> But we have no choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are >> closed tomorrow for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably >> be sanitizing everything. >> >> there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing down >> arrival to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of >> contamination. >> >> We have to try to get the health department to give us clear guidance on >> company operations over the next 2 weeks. >> >> If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill probably end up in jail. >> We have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole company down. >> If he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire, kunkgflu will >> not be his primary concern anymore >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on the >> case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus case >> in New Jersey. >> >> >> >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media >> fake news … get over it, this article is not political. I am however >> reading the print version and while I Googled for a link to the online >> version it might be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a >> limited number of articles free, I don’t know. >> >> >> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html >> >> >> >> The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic. He got some >> treatments other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through >> extensive intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him >> online. He did recover. Some of the nonstandard treatments may have >> worked. But you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them. You realize how >> difficult it is to get something like remdesivir given the approvals >> needed. And the push to intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on >> hospital staff, even if it’s maybe not the best treatment. And how doctors >> and hospitals were slow to realize this disease was different. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >> >> >> >> Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid the >> liability. It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >> >> There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's >> baked into the system now. It's how the friends got the treatment approved >> for their daughters. >> >> On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full >> trials. I dont blame them. >> >> >> >> We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves. >> >> >> >> Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without >> saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >> >> I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing >> ebola treatment. Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients >> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be >> a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of >> 20% survival.. What the heck is the real story? I know someone >> personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their >> daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare. The conspiracy >> part of me wants to scream... >> >> On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough >> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the >> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a >> ventilator. Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the >> ventilator. And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent >> actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive >> treatment. >> > >> > The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be >> saved if there's enough ventilators. When in reality doctors and nurses >> are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated >> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective >> treatment. Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it. >> > >> > There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if >> some of them turned out to work. Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but >> a therapy so less people die. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince >> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM >> > To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com> >> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >> > >> > >> > Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me >> because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not >> what people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like (Accute >> Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within >> the medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe >> what they need to do is just supply oxygen. >> > >> > If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article. >> > >> > >> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/ >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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