Well, if you're just going to your spot out back, there aren't doorknobs,
etc. to touch... might actually be more sanitary.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place. Like
> an unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you added a
> workshop suddenly you did. Not sure how to square that with the current
> situation. If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee
> behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did
> that then maybe that's the same as having a bathroom. Maybe everybody can
> mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :)
>
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> So got an update
> Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
> IDPH hotline 18008893931
> option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
> Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a
> few minutes
>
> If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
> than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
>
>
> The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office
> where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
> precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for
> more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week
> supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding
> people that work there.
>
> Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not
> fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage
> and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
> remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send
> the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing
> an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will
> be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the
> garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol
> stocked at night.
>
> Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and
> all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.
>
> I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as
> minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they
> wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs
> and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.
>
> Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some
> pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the
> customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if
> customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover
> equipment later
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> You can pick your friends.
>> And you can pick your nose.
>> But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
>>
>> -Vinny Barbarino
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any
>> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's
>> nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
>>
>> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm
>> saying).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the customer may
>> have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could
>> have enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching
>> and getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around. Touch his face
>> with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round.. Touch his
>> truck and someone else touches it.. Less likely but possible. 3-7 DAYS
>> on metal surfaces is really bad if not sanitized. Door bells are a bad
>> thing.. Gates are a bad thing..
>>
>> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet
>> to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer
>> interactions on March 16th.
>>
>>
>>
>> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets
>> infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
>>
>>
>>
>> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside.
>> Internet is not worth someone dying over!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently
>> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was
>> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin
>> out he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my
>> stuff. He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal
>> about this since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had
>> no contact closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly.
>> But we have no choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are
>> closed tomorrow for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably
>> be sanitizing everything.
>>
>> there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing down
>> arrival to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of
>> contamination.
>>
>> We have to try to get the health department to give us clear guidance on
>> company operations over the next 2 weeks.
>>
>> If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill probably end up in jail.
>> We have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole company down.
>> If he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire, kunkgflu will
>> not be his primary concern anymore
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on the
>> case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus case
>> in New Jersey.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media
>> fake news … get over it, this article is not political. I am however
>> reading the print version and while I Googled for a link to the online
>> version it might be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a
>> limited number of articles free, I don’t know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic. He got some
>> treatments other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through
>> extensive intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him
>> online. He did recover. Some of the nonstandard treatments may have
>> worked. But you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them. You realize how
>> difficult it is to get something like remdesivir given the approvals
>> needed. And the push to intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on
>> hospital staff, even if it’s maybe not the best treatment. And how doctors
>> and hospitals were slow to realize this disease was different.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid the
>> liability. It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's
>> baked into the system now. It's how the friends got the treatment approved
>> for their daughters.
>>
>> On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full
>> trials. I dont blame them.
>>
>>
>>
>> We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.
>>
>>
>>
>> Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without
>> saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
>> ebola treatment. Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
>> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be
>> a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of
>> 20% survival.. What the heck is the real story? I know someone
>> personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their
>> daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare. The conspiracy
>> part of me wants to scream...
>>
>> On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough
>> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the
>> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a
>> ventilator. Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the
>> ventilator. And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent
>> actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive
>> treatment.
>> >
>> > The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be
>> saved if there's enough ventilators. When in reality doctors and nurses
>> are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated
>> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective
>> treatment. Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
>> >
>> > There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if
>> some of them turned out to work. Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but
>> a therapy so less people die.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
>> > To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com>
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>> >
>> >
>> > Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me
>> because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not
>> what people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like (Accute
>> Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within
>> the medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe
>> what they need to do is just supply oxygen.
>> >
>> > If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>> >
>> >
>>
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