Article singles out 3 major hotspots – Cook County jail in Chicago,
USS Theodore Roosevelt, and … Sioux Falls, SD.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/ar-BB12zTcc
Clearly no place is safe, but it will rip through any place where
people are crowded together.
I also found interesting the report that the infection on the USS TR
evidently came from a shore leave in Vietnam, and probably from
socializing with some British sailors there not necessarily from the
Vietnamese population. Crazy stuff. Docking in Vietnam and letting
sailors go ashore is not looking like a genius decision given the
timing. I see they are keeping the USS Harry Truman at sea to keep
Covid off the ship.
https://www.navytimes.com/2020/04/13/with-deployment-over-truman-carrier-strike-group-being-kept-at-sea-due-to-covid-19/
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 8:25 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
/It appears that the urban legend about urine being sterile has
its roots in the 1950s, Hilt says, when epidemiologist Edward Kass
<http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/19/obituaries/edward-h-kass-72-researcher-on-toxic-shock.html>//
was
looking for a way to screen patients for urinary tract infections
before surgery. Kass developed the midstream urine test (still
used when you pee in a cup) and set a numerical cutoff
<http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/183/Supplement_1/S9.full>// for
the number of bacteria in normal urine: not more than 100,000
colony-forming units (cell clusters on a culture dish) per
milliliter of urine. A person tests “negative” for bacteria in
their urine as long as the number of bacteria that grow in a lab
dish containing the urine falls below this threshold. “It appears
that the dogma that urine is sterile was an unintended
consequence,” Hilt says./
https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/13/2020 6:17 PM, Robert wrote:
Nope it's not, common error...
On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as
long as you're not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine
supposed to be sterile?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any
work place. Like an unmanned storage building doesn't
need a bathroom, but if you added a workshop suddenly you
did. Not sure how to square that with the current
situation. If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd
probably go pee behind the building and hold #2 until I
get home, but if everybody else did that then maybe that's
the same as having a bathroom. Maybe everybody can mark
their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from each other
of course :)
On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
So got an update
Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
IDPH hotline 18008893931
option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but
have no symptoms
Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6
feet for more than a few minutes
If there are no symptoms and there was not contact
within 6 feet for more than a few minutes an employer
CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He
works in a office where a lady tested positive, close
proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet
for more than a few minutes. This place had another
positive last week supposedly. thankfully they are
closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that
work there.
Given the issue, we are closing all our communal
areas, no coffee pot, not fridge, no restroom use.
Primary installer will operate out of the garage and
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area.
hes set up for remote now and will be on call when hes
not actively on jobs. We would send the work truck
home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already
seeing an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will
stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his van in
his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage
where inventory will be available for resupply. It
will be lysol stocked at night.
Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary
workspace to do builds and all that. if im not
building or hanging, ill be home.
I will have techs meet me on build sites as required.
We will have as minimal contact as is realistic. If
its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave the
vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain
legs and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.
Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks
every time some pauper approaches us. Techs were given
clear instruction that if the customer comes outside,
they are to get back in the work truck and if customer
wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will
recover equipment later
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose.
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Up your nose with a rubber hose.
-Vinny Barbarino
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you
wash your hands after any potential contact.
You could stick your finger up an infected
person's nose, and as long as you washed your
hands, you are cool.
I am not advocating that (just in case someone
misinterprets what I'm saying).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
Depends upon what he touched on the
outside. Anything the customer may have
sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a
deep heavy breath on could have enough of
this nasty if he didn't immediately
sanitize after touching and getting back
into his vehicle and spreading it around.
Touch his face with an infected hand/glove
and he's on the merry-go-round.. Touch
his truck and someone else touches it..
Less likely but possible. 3-7 DAYS on
metal surfaces is really bad if not
sanitized. Door bells are a bad thing..
Gates are a bad thing..
On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If Steve’s tech really never went
inside and came no closer than 10 feet
to anyone, do you think the tech
should still quarantine for 14 days?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
This is exactly why our company
stopped all in person customer
interactions on March 16th.
Customers lie or don’t know they even
have it, then your tech gets infected
along with their whole family, then
the rest of your crew.
NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE
ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
We are only doing service calls if we
can fix it from the outside. Internet
is not worth someone dying over!
-Sean
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Im so pissed right now. Tech had a
No Line Of Site wednesday.
apparently customer got tested on,
positive result today. My guess
would be he was symptomatic
wednesday if it was bad enough for
a test the next day. I fin out he
was already on quarantine
wednesday, im going to probably
lose my stuff. He answered
negative to the questionnaire. The
tech has been anal about this
since day one. We went no touch
last monday officially. he had no
contact closer than 10 feet. Never
went inside. sanitizes constantly.
But we have no choice but to go
down a tech for 14 day quarantine.
We are closed tomorrow for a
video-conference to regroup.
Tuesday we will probably be
sanitizing everything.
there is little to no chance the
tech caught it. he is writing down
arrival to exit to help him
remember if there is any chance of
contamination.
We have to try to get the health
department to give us clear
guidance on company operations
over the next 2 weeks.
If this guy lied on the
questionnaire ...... Ill probably
end up in jail. We have too much
going on to be a man down, much
less a whole company down. If he
got my installer sick, and lied on
the questionnaire, kunkgflu will
not be his primary concern anymore
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM
Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You can get around the paywall
using the Brave browser.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:
Interesting long article
in today’s New York Times
Sunday magazine on the
case of James Cai, a
physician’s assistant and
the first coronavirus case
in New Jersey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT,
biased liberal elite east
coast mainstream media
fake news … get over it,
this article is not
political. I am however
reading the print version
and while I Googled for a
link to the online version
it might be behind a
paywall, or maybe they
will let you read a
limited number of articles
free, I don’t know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
The story leaves you both
hopeful and pessimistic.
He got some treatments
other than what the
hospital wanted to use,
but only through extensive
intervention from doctor
friends and people who
read about him online. He
did recover. Some of the
nonstandard treatments may
have worked. But you or I
probably wouldn’t have
gotten them. You realize
how difficult it is to get
something like remdesivir
given the approvals
needed. And the push to
intubate rather than have
you breathe the virus on
hospital staff, even if
it’s maybe not the best
treatment. And how doctors
and hospitals were slow to
realize this disease was
different.
*From:* AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April
11, 2020 10:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
More on COVID
Because the fda doesnt
approve without the
trials, to avoid the
liability. It's only
approved off label use,
hence, zero liability
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020,
10:12 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:
There is an actual
mechanism for the FDA
to avoid the
liability, it's baked
into the system now.
It's how the friends
got the treatment
approved for their
daughters.
On 4/11/20 4:10 PM,
Steve Jones wrote:
The FDA cant take
the liability of
"approving"
anything without
full trials. I
dont blame them.
We let everyone
sue everyone, we
did it to ourselves.
Same reason Fauci
uses code words to
say the malaria
drug works without
saying it works or
setting cnn off by
agreeing with potus.
On Sat, Apr 11,
2020, 3:27 PM
Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:
I can't
believe I am
still hearing
about "trials"
on the
pre-existing
ebola
treatment.
Doctors are
talking about
2/3's of test
patients
recovering
after 2-3 days
after
administration.
Seems like
that would be
a good enough
"trial" to
start
massively
treating
patients
instead of
20% survival..
What the heck
is the real
story? I
know someone
personally who
fought the FDC
to get a
treatment that
extended their
daughters
lives for 5
years and it
was a
nightmare. The
conspiracy
part of me
wants to scream...
On 4/11/20
12:50 PM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:
> Yeah, I am
starting to
get annoyed at
the obsession
with having
enough
ventilators,
describing
them as "life
saving
equipment",
leaving the
impression
that most can
be saved if
you can just
put them on a
ventilator.
Yet stats out
of NYC are 80%
don't survive
to come off
the
ventilator.
And you have
to wonder if
the 20% who
do, did the
vent actually
save them, or
they would
have survived
even with less
aggressive
treatment.
>
> The news
coverage
leaves you
thinking most
of the ICU
patients will
be saved if
there's enough
ventilators.
When in
reality
doctors and
nurses are
risking their
own lives to
treat ICU
wards full of
intubated,
sedated
patients most
of whom will
die because
they don't
have an
effective
treatment. Not
a pretty
story,
probably why
nobody wants
to talk about it.
>
> There are
trials of
various
treatments
going on, it
would be great
if some of
them turned
out to work.
Not
necessarily a
cure or a
vaccine, but a
therapy so
less people die.
>
>
>
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> From: AF
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<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
> Sent:
Saturday,
April 11, 2020
1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG
<af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject:
[AFMUG] OT:
More on COVID
>
>
> Saw this in
our local
paper this
morning. It's
interesting to
me because
it's bringing
to light the
fact that
COVID-19 is
apparently not
what people
are dying
from, it's the
secondary
ARDS-like
(Accute
Respiratory
Distress
Syndrome)
condition.
There is also
some debate
within the
medical
community
whether
ventilators
are helping or
hurting. Maybe
what they need
to do is just
supply oxygen.
>
> If this link
doesn't work
for you, I can
email the article.
>
>
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>
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