Which CDNs require it? I know Google, Apple and Netflix don’t matter they use the source IP of the requestor not the DNS. Akamai is still old-school hasn’t figured out this new-generation of DNS like the new kids on the block have. However, with Akamai pulling all their caches that are serving <10G from ISPs, I dont know if it makes that much difference any more since they’re not going to be hitting my non-existent local Akamai cache.
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > "I'm not sure why that is still being preached." > > Multiple CDNs specifically require it and state as much in their peering or > cache server documentation. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 11:22:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > To be fair, Cloudflare is only 3.0ms away from us and that's not a lot of > additional latency, particular considering that their cache is likely much > larger than ours. So their cache hit % should be much higher than ours. I > also trust Cloudflare to have more people working on their DNS infrastructure > than just myself. > > I totally understand and agree the lowest latency way for DNS is to host it > on-site on your own gear but we've had customers on OpenDNS (10ms away) and > Cloudflare (3ms away) with no issues at all. Google has had some issues years > ago so we switched away awhile ago. We peer with many of the major providers > and even though we use DNS that is outsourced, we still receive all local > content from our IX like Netflix, Google, Akamai, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, > etc. Not having on-site DNS has not caused that content to come from > elsewhere and I'm not sure why that is still being preached. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > I do find it interesting that one of the “improvements” that computer techs > and IT guys typically apply is to change the DNS server to 8.8.8.8. I’ve > also had PCI auditors tell the customer to change their DNS server to 8.8.8.8 > in order to pass the audit. And it’s getting so apps and browsers set their > own DNS server, bypassing the router or the OS. > > All of which they’re free to do. > > There is a whole movement telling people that ISP resolvers are slow and > insecure, that it will be faster and safer to use DNS over HTTPS to 1.1.1.1 > or something similar. I’ve never quite understood the claim that it’s faster > to use cloud DNS. You could maybe say they have a bigger customer base and > therefore more cached entries, but that doesn’t seem to be their claim. It’s > like they think 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 is closer to the customer than the ISP’s > servers, which baffles me. And as far as cache size, it seems most sites now > set the TTL so low that all queries are recursive. > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > Mostly humor, but it's kinda true too. > > As Mike said - it's another one of his things. I'm surprised you haven't > seen that, though it may not be too often in AFMUG. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:00 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > That’s kind of harsh, or was that humor? > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:50 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > This guy probably doesn't run his own DNS ;P > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:48 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: > Yes, that is something we need to continually consider, and I am not trying > to resurrect the SaaS apps vs own it and run it yourself debate 😊. However, > we are pretty small. We have a few Techs, a scheduling/technician support > person and me. That means every hour spent upgrading Linux, building a new > VM, making sure backups are working, etc is an hour not spent building the > next tower. For me, it is a poor trade off, I will gladly pay a monthly fee > and let someone else do that. I also know myself well enough to know I > won’t do as good a job of patching VMs, backing them up, and overall > operational run of the servers as someone who does that for a living. I > expect that will change some day, but for now, unfortunately that is where we > are at. > > Regards, > > David Coudron > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:49 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > The cost of running an ISP is that you have to run an ISP. ;-) > > > I see a lot of people trying to run server-less, and you just can't... at > least not while being responsible. If you've got one VM, the work in more VMs > isn't dramatically different. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:35:53 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > I hear ya, but it is another system to support/upgrade/backup etc. We’d > really like to be in the business of building the ISP network and get out of > the server/application support business. We have looked at quite a few > monitoring systems, but haven’t found a good mix of hosted, robust, and > reasonably priced. Additionally, you need to either put them in the > central office and live with more traffic flowing over your DIA, or find some > sort of distributed SNMP polling solution. One of the biggest reasons to > move to Sonar for us was to get access to Pulse, and next generation network > monitoring. To some extent we feel like moved to a feature for feature > comparison of where we were at with Powercode and a slightly less reliable > monitoring systems since we don’t have the local BMUs grabbing the data. We > have moved Sonar pollers out further into the network to help with > reliability, but now we have Linux devices we have to remotely maintain > again. I know I am whining about this, but we thought we would be a lot > closer to our ideal use case than where we ended up, and I am a little sore > that so many things appear to be part of v2 and it just keeps being pushed a > little beyond our reach. > > Ideally we would like this to be the case, if it is possible and we haven’t > stumbled on it yet, we’d love to hear about it. > > SNMP monitoring data collected on the Mikrotiks and passed to a central > database. Reasoning – We have them everywhere, we already committed to > maintaining them and they are close to the devices we want to get data from. > SNMP monitoring system lives inside of our billing system so that we have the > tie from customer router to SM to tower AP to tower router, to core routers > to edge routers all sitting in the same system and tied to the customer. We > thought Sonar was going to be that. > Ability to supplement the Sonar data with some simple math where the SNMP > data doesn’t provide exactly what were are looking for. In particular, or > Mimosa backhauls don’t provide simple utilization data, so we calculate that > ourselves in LibreNMS. > > I am sure we are looking for pie in the sky stuff, but I thought we’d be > closer to this with Pulse than where we landed by quite a bit. > > Regards, > > David Coudron > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:21 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > "We’d like to eliminate our external monitoring system (LibreNMS)." > > I've actually been advocating for the exact opposite. Use APIs to pull the > up\down information into Sonar, but leave the work of monitoring to something > purpose-built to monitor. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:51:29 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > I need to go back to the session we had with the Sonar help folks. It had > to do with monitoring and using the API to update fields on devices so that > we could get better monitoring data into Sonar. In working with the person > at Sonar (I don’t have written down which one) we both agreed that it appear > it should be working, but clearly wasn’t. Their take was that this wouldn’t > be corrected in v1. We needed to wait for the v2 API. > > We’d like to eliminate our external monitoring system (LibreNMS). We’d > really like all of the data to be in Sonar and go to one spot for SNMP based > data. Preseem is our tool for latency, throughput, data volume and overall > customer experience. But all SNMP stuff would be nice to have in one spot. > What we’d really like to do is use the data pulled through SNMP and landing > in Sonar and do some math on it and store it back to Sonar. That would be > ideal, but it doesn’t look like that is possible. > > Regards, > > David Coudron > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Cassidy B. Larson > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:38 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > We’ve been able to figure out most of our things we need with v1 API, but > it’s at the cost of an exponential number of API calls. This ends up being > bad for both us and our sonar instance. I think we tax it too heavily as > we’re API intensive :) > > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com > <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote: > > David, > > I'm curious what you can't do with the v1 API. I have yet to find something I > haven't been able to help people with in custom integrations with Sonar's > API. Obviously, things will change with v2, but I'd be curious to know what > you are needing. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:19 AM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: > We see the same thing as Mike is referring to. We would really like to get > to v2.0. There has been quite a bit of discussion about it and webinars > saying it is ready and so on, but when you really press on the topic, you > find out many of the necessary features aren’t ready and you can’t migrate. > We have been in this state for months, and it doesn’t seem like anything will > change anytime soon. Our recommendation is, make absolutely sure the > current feature set works for you, do not assume you will be using v2.0 > because that timeline isn’t set. > > We want to move to v2.0 to take advantage of the new API stuff, as we’d like > to do some simple integration that doesn’t work with the v1.x API. We are > also hoping we will see improvement in the stability of the monitoring in > v2.0. We have found that the monitoring in the current version isn’t nearly > as reliable as Powercode and we have had to supplement it with another tool. > > That being said, we can’t say enough about the integration with Preseem, as > Preseem has been an indispensable addition to our toolset. I imagine you > could use Preseem pretty successfully without Powercode or Sonar, but the > Sonar to Preseem integration makes it so easy to put Preseem in, and Preseem > has a lot of value. It is our most used monitoring and troubleshooting tool. > > Regards, > > David Coudron > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:06 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > No one I know is running 2.0 because it isn't finished and doesn't seem > likely to be finished by fall. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 11:42:13 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > Text to customer isn’t a feature yet. > > Are you running v2.0 Sonar already? > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Sean Heskett > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:04 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > if you only want to do billing Platypus is still around and is relatively > cheap, but it is literally a billing platform only. > > Sonar is a total CRM as well as business management platform...the whole > enchilada. > > -sean > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:58 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > wrote: > I used Plat years ago and was happy with it. > So glad to hear you are happy with Sonar. > Simon is a standup guy. > > From: Sean Heskett > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:55 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing > > Sonar is awesome, you won't be disappointed. > > we started with platypus, moved to powercode, it was an upgrade from plat but > was way too clunky and at the time powercode couldn't do RADIUS so, after 18 > months of trying to make our business model fit to the powercode way we moved > to Sonar and haven't looked back. > > Sonar is very forward thinking with their service and they have just about > every integration under the sun you could think of (text to customer, fleet > tracking, preseem QoS, snail mail marketing etc.) > > -Sean > > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > wrote: > I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year. So at some > point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing platform. > > Leaking toward Sonar. Have used Plat in the past. 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