https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2Z1n4E0sxMyXc82UZxrXNKJqf9oaC_kF53Be6NZaVPnuP8jwTDKxk5w4g
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:13 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
Steve, the usual solution is for nervous dwelling beings to
engage in “spring cleaning”, to the annoyance of all other
dwelling beings.
https://www.gocomics.com/breaking-cat-news/2020/04/26
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
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I just reread that and am going to have to call a lent. Sorry
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 AM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's another thing that really needs kicked to the curb,
political correctness. This is serious business, and
housewives get nervous. A nervous housewife can make a whole
lot of bad decisions. Those bad decisions have real world
consequenses that dont care about being politically correct.
You can say house person if you want. Well maybe being, since
son is in person, indicating Male, if a gender actually
exists. And I guess house indicates some level of financial
status.
Would you feel better about "dwelling being".
"Keeping dwelling beings occupied and less nervous" does that
make you feel better?
Fyi, that's specifically the reason I have my wife, who is
suffering severe post partum depression in the middle of the
end of the world, looking for templates on making masks, so i
dont come home to the real world consequense of my babies
drown in the bathtub. I'm not quite sure if her doing that
would be PC or not.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 11:56 PM Bruce Robertson
<br...@pooh.com> wrote:
“keeping housewives occupied and less nervous”
Really? You’re aware this is 2020, right?
On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
You asked
What was recomended by the White House. Regional
opening with result driven response. (Without
rhetoric, example, my county TRIPLED its cases over
the weekend. It went from 1 to 3, the 2 new ones are
related, so the increase is pretty irrelevant.)
Tracing is more important than testing. That's just a
matter of fact, testing is a slice in time, you can
be infected, and test negative if you were recently
infected, you can get infected at a test site. You
can test positive from an environmental exposure
without having actually caught it. It's like MRSA of
the nairs.
Once identified, the tracing leads back to likely
hotspots. I'd personally put the bulk of the funding
into tracing. Use every bit of data volunteered.
Particularly request the tracking data from mobile
devices. If its volunteered, you have a map. If they
dont, well, you work with what you have.
"Testing" is a tool of politics. The only way to
effectively test would be real time monitoring. Which
A. Doesnt exist and B. Wouldn't be feasible.
The governors each now have in their possession the
location of every single test processing facility in
the nation. So what little relevance testing actually
plays in management is their responsibility to
delegate coordination. So it's a moot issue.
Any location exposed in tracing gets a mandatory
scrub scrub (to be honest, I dont understand any
public venue that wouldn't be surface decontaminating
once ever 24 hours minimum anyway, there's no
shortage of killitol level disinfectants)
I think the mandatory face covering is nonsense. If
it were mandatory rated filtration masks that would
be different.
But there isnt a production capacity for that on the
entire planet. But since it makes people feel like
they're doing something, I'm all for it. Placebo is
actually a powerful medication for much of what ails
society. Plus the homemade masks are keeping
housewives occupied and less nervous. That actually
matters.
Occasionally a tracing may require a mandatory
compensated closure. Example being a county here in
illinois that has a processor who has over 20
employees infected, they're still operational. There
is autonomy and constitutional rights, and then there
is stupidity and a true public health risk. That
falls under the latter and should be closed pending
decontamination.
A forcible closure, from a document able and
legitimate public health risk should require medical
screening of all staff/administration prior to
resuming activities. There is no shortage of
available healthcare practitioners right now, so
depts of public health can contract that . Once
again, the focus should be on tracing. Heavily funded
tracing. "Patient zero" in the above mentioned case
has probably long since recovered. Tracing is where
they are identified, as theyll test negative now.
Cases like this are where antibody testing should be
prioritized, assuming there is consent.
Tracing
The same applies to public venues. If tracing
identifies probable contamination, the venue scrubs.
Applicable staff are cleared, tracing, tracing
tracing. Video surveillance has a huge role where it
is voluntarily submitted. Voluntarily being key and
subjective, since it will be a whole lot quicker to
clear a location of all tracing resources are made
readily available. Call it extortion if you want, it
is what it is, and it is a tool.
Metrics must be clearly defined. If two people
happenned to have been in the same place, it doesnt
need to necessarily be shut down. But the threshold
must be clearly defined. We have very little that is
clearly defined. That has a whole lot to do with the
defiance. Selling seeds being a prime example, at no
point did illinois shut that down, yet places
cordoned them off and facebook images went nuts. This
is literally the same thing that cause the rapid
spread in the US, images of empty shelves. Many of
the people protesting still dont know that nurseries
and greenhouses were specifically deemed essential
last week, but that's why they're there. Clearly
define everything, on the state and county websites.
Accurate information is critical. That and tracing.
Define regional thresholds for stages of opening. If
a region declines, shut it down. If a region does
well, progress the stages. Exactly as the feds
recommend.
Define and justify every single essential and non
essential industry. With a mandatory state
clarification within 24 hours of a designation
request. Justify being key. And publicly accessible
designations. This would be fluid and ongoing.
Leisure activities need designations. Nuclear family
needs clarification. As it reads, I cant take my
family fishing in illinois because the designated
limit is 2. This will get police in situations with
bad outcomes because nobody bothered to clarify.
If a region's medical resources are verifiably and
documented to be taxed to a predefined and clearly
defined level, then ease back on the stages, all the
way to lockdown if need be. But media reports and
public opinion arent the metrics. The staffing levels
and documented patient loads define that.
I can continue
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 9:01 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com> wrote:
Would you please articulate specifically "what is
right" in this situation? I am asking for your
non-political opinion of the most constructive
way forward.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
I sit back and watch as people contradict
their own statements. "Its going to be here
like this for years" "tests are growing, as
is the number" "it's been here longer than we
think" "it hasn't peaked because muh testing"
"it's going to be worse in fall" "mitigation
has had a major impact"
The best is regarding the medication mien
fuehrer liked. "Its only anecdotal" "a tiny
group had a negative outcome, thisnis the
gold standard and this drug must be banned"
I live in a state where our governor is in a
pissing contest with the White House, but
doing pretty much what the White House
recommends, with the exception of looking at
things by region. We only have two regions,
chicago, and people who voted for the current
president at 1600. So the whole of downstate
will be punished for not voting the right
way. When asked about the data, for the
"science" behind this, we were told the state
doesnt own the data, so we cant see it.
I'm part of a foster parent group. One of the
fosters is utterly destroyed right now. Her
prior ward, that she stayed in contact with
died 3 days ago at 15. He had returned home,
but went back into the system during this
(our state, in its infinite wisdom has
effectively shut down the foster support
system, non essential and all) he couldn't
come back to her because she is at capacity.
He had cancer and was in a drug trial. He had
been thriving. The governors orders didnt
allow for him to get access to the trial
resources, so he lost his trial spot, as is
the nature of trials. There were no resources
available to get him into a linear treatment.
3 days ago he succumbed to the complication.
While anecdotal, this is exactly what the
cure being worse than the disease looks like.
Granted, the speed at which he declined from
thriving to dead indicates underlying issues,
the chicago emperors orders made certain
there were no resources. Right now, thanks to
the emperors orders, there are approximately
zero resources available to the foster
families. Anticipate a whole lot of negative
outcomes.
Point is, everybody is more concerned about
proving how wrong their political enemy is,
that nobody is even actually looking for what
is right.
Thankfully mother nature doesnt care and this
will, like all ailments of proximity,
diminish in the next week or so.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:48 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just listened (in part) to a discussion
about COVID-19 as it regards China/US
relations. It is a discussion between
Dubner, Michèle Flournoy ( former
undersecretary of defense and co-founder
of strategic-advisory firm WestExec.),
and Michael Auslin (historian at Stanford
University’s Hoover Institution).
Within the discussion Auslin asserts that
the death toll within Wuhan alone was
between 45 and 47 thousand; at least 10X
what they have reported through official
channels. He gets his data through
croudsourcing crematoria activity and the
number of people picking up urns of
deceased family members.
If you don't have time to listen to this,
it is at least worth a read of the
transcript.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/covid-19-china/
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 3:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
This virus doesn't care if you are a
Republican, a Democrat, an
Independent, agnostic, religious or
an atheist...if it gets you it might
kill you...
Stay smart, listen to doctors and
scientists....not ineptus maximus
politicians.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:45 PM Bill
Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
As we test more, we are
undoubtedly going to find more
cases that were previously going
undetected (asymptomatic
infection). This is a long way
from over. The other thing we
have not come to grips with is
the uneven spread/mitigation.
There was an interesting graphic
for the state of California
showing the state as a whole
versus just the Bay Area (Mercury
News this morning). The 7
counties around the bay
instituted shelter in place very
early, and it's beginning to show
in the statistics. The Bay Area
accounts for almost 18% of the
entire state population (7 of the
40 million).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 8:45 AM,
ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Might be Chebyshev BPF
though... hopefully...Bessell.
Hopefully not high pass...
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