"takes less space" is easier to manage, easier equating to substantial costs it also means much less taxable space
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:44 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Last I heard the game meat isn't great health wise. Chick fill of hormones > or some such. > > Loving in the Midwest I guess I don't get the whole "takes less space" > argument. If there is anything we have an abundance of here it is space. > Now water, maybe it takes less water. In the summer cattle or here drink > around 25 gallons or more a day for a full grown cow. > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:42 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> Fake meat and lab grown meat are probably the future. Lab grown meat >> specifically is cleaner, uses less space, scales better, and is infinitely >> more humane than the way we're doing mass meat production now. I don't >> think anyone is arguing that it can replace a good, small/local farm raised >> steak. It can definitely replace what passes for meat at most fast food >> establishments, however. >> >> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I know, there seems to be an inordinate amount of time and money put >>> into fake meat. As you say, growing up on a cattle, hog and dairy farm, >>> fake meat is blasphemy. It just isn’t the same smoking/grilling chicken >>> thighs and wrapping them in bacon when the chicken and bacon are made out >>> of “plankton”. (I did my best to pull together the chicken thigh and >>> Soylent Green threads… 😊 >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> David Coudron >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:32 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the >>> carcasses. But I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles >>> saying the robots are coming, and other articles saying they aren’t. >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”. Although that’s blasphemy, since >>> many of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *David Coudron >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of >>> the product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid >>> and when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them >>> feeder cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, >>> large operations. Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or >>> hog operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make. So >>> everything consolidated into large, efficient operations. As many know, >>> they have been dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot >>> skip a rotation or the cows get infections (mastitis). Same with the >>> large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature and have to moved >>> out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of continuing to >>> feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming >>> in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting to >>> shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen >>> is that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat >>> on the shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is >>> more accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I >>> might argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing >>> is the manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat >>> packing is a pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but >>> only the tail end of it. It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter >>> weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my >>> wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t >>> already. As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them >>> to stay open, but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of >>> most meat packing plants being closed. Of course most of the issue will be >>> over-reaction like the toilet paper thing. >>> >>> >>> >>> Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with >>> no meat in them. But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the >>> antifreeze shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that >>> was 😊) these highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply >>> chains don’t deal with disruption very well. Not really anyone’s fault, >>> but tough to see. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> *David Coudron* >>> >>> david.coud...@advantenon.com | *Mobile: *612-991-7474 >>> >>> >>> >>> *Advantenon, Inc. * >>> >>> i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN >>> 55447 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3500+Vicksburg+Lane+N,+Suite+315,+Plymouth,+MN+55447?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> | www.advantenon.com | *Phone:* 800-704-4720 | *Local: * >>> 612-454-1545 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I >>> see this: >>> >>> >>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq >>> >>> >>> >>> I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a >>> distribution problem. I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he >>> was talking about milk or green beans or potatoes. Because I would not >>> refer to a slaughterhouse as “distribution”. >>> >>> >>> >>> On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down >>> because gas sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell? We should be >>> swimming in ethanol. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> "long pig" is different than ordinary pig... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote: >>> >>> Since when have pigs not been people? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about >>> why there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t >>> hear about lots of deaths. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck is safe, though. His Vienna Sausages are new old stock. Made the >>> old fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the >>> squeal. But at least they’re not people! >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of >>> the "beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in >>> the ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im >>> pretty sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do >>> to dogs/cats/animals. I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything. >>> Used to think it was cliche or just a joke about over there. Its not. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Kenney >>> Network Operations Manager >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net> >>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch >>> box? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM >>> *To:* af <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think they keep cats as pets...... >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Kenney >>> Network Operations Manager >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> and Facebook will publish a thousand variations. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> google will remove this truth from the internet >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes! >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *Total Control Panel* >>> >>> Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> >>> >>> To: ja...@litewire.net >>> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> >>> >>> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> >>> *You received this message because the domain afmug.com >>> <http://afmug.com> is on your allow list.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *Total Control Panel* >>> >>> Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> >>> >>> To: ja...@litewire.net >>> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> >>> >>> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> >>> *You received this message because the domain afmug.com >>> <http://afmug.com> is on your allow list.* >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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