I think people were used to Ubnt being the disrupter. 1/10th the cost
of prior wireless gear (ptp's were 10K for the same speed as a 5Ghz
100mb/s link). The market adapted, now they are fractionally better
instead of an order of magnitude on price and their shortcomings on
reliability and s/w became less tolerable at that difference. If LTU
fixes all the shortcomings then fractionally cheaper will be a winner
for apples and apples devices..
On 4/29/20 7:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because IMO
they sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick looking
datasheets. I thought it was all smoke and mirrors. I still used it
on occasion, because glossy looking WiFi gear can make a point to
point link for $300 and some times there are uses for that.
I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line with
what it really was. "Best in class" spectral efficiency? Your
datasheet doesn't actually support that claim, boys. More smoke and
mirrors. I can see how the price would be compelling in the right
scenario, but they could present it honestly and still sell it.
Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU. It
needs a few more features, but I think most of what I would want is on
the roadmap already. I was messing with an AirCube and I like that
too. I recently deployed an Edgeswitch and I'm pretty happy with that
too. I feel like they've finally grown up. I'm still very alert for
"smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty happy with these more
recent products.
I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog. They grossed
just shy of $200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a
billion in more recent years. They haven't been an "underdog" for at
least a decade. Cambium has something like 1/4 of the revenue that
Ubiquiti does.
On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my
buttons about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings
about supporting the underdog.
Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the
underdog because they have now become like everyone else.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the
Kits in stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before
they start offering piecemeal parts again.
Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they
thought of the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods
around the conference table, after seeing all the glossy charts
with arrows pointing up, and giant dollar signs and Moneybags.
Then nobody bought them, so other parts are just magically
'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.
On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Agreed. I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. They said they
would sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8
miles, you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.
Right now, you have to buy the kit and the other dishes and
hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road. Horribly
wasteful. Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the
AF-11. They are really screwed right now.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior
products - something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5
miles.
On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls.
They jacked the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has
been non-existent since November/December which was the last
time I was able to order stand alone AF11 radios. Now a rumor
they will never sell them again without their crappy dish?
Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that
other brands cost about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same
licensed 80mhz channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex and I
have never seen a AF11 radio actually push over 600 meg. Had a
5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a
AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here
on out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive.
Ken is awesome, always emails me back within 30 minutes
with any questions I have. Hell you can buy a 80ghz link that
is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out the door.
Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you
can't even get from Baltic because they are sold out.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com <mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally
so that the AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time...
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com <mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
From Streakwave? They're the one's that told me
this morning they were never going to get them.
On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
Streakwave was telling me that originally too,
but it was during the change of the model number
of the standalone radio. Now that the model
number for the stand alone radio is changed,
price is a bit higher, but they are once again
available.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com> <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>
wrote:
One distributor I talked to said they were
being told by UBNT that their Single Radio order
would never be fulfilled....
On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is
available as a stand-alone SKU.
https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11
Chuck
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Why in the world would you buy crappy
radios from a crappy company that likes to
frivolously sue its customers and
distributors? They also seem to like to
discontinue products at the drop of a hat.
Not gonna build my business model around a
crappy company like that.
2 cents
-Sean
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I've heard a rumor that the only way to
buy an AF11 radio now is in a
kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish.
Single radios cannot be
purchased. How can you keep spares of
equipment if that's the case?
The price has gone up too. We were
getting bare radios for $585 last
year. Now if you break the cost out of
the Dishes and Diplexers from
the Kit, it's $680 for just the radio.
And places that have bare radios
listed in their online stores (but have
no stock) have a single radio in
the $900 range.
Is UBNT Just trying to kill the 3rd
party Antenna market? Or were they
having problems interfacing to other
dishes because of their unique N
connector method? The part that really
annoys me is that I can't just
have spare radios sitting on the shelf.
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