I think you hit the nail on the head. Many problems are tolerable if
the money saved is enough. When the savings diminishes, are the
problems still tolerable?
Ubiquiti has some great people working there, but they also have a lot
of bozos. Those bozos keep getting in the way.
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*From: *"Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:10:16 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios
I think people were used to Ubnt being the disrupter. 1/10th the cost
of prior wireless gear (ptp's were 10K for the same speed as a 5Ghz
100mb/s link). The market adapted, now they are fractionally better
instead of an order of magnitude on price and their shortcomings on
reliability and s/w became less tolerable at that difference. If LTU
fixes all the shortcomings then fractionally cheaper will be a winner
for apples and apples devices..
On 4/29/20 7:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because
IMO they sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick
looking datasheets. I thought it was all smoke and mirrors. I
still used it on occasion, because glossy looking WiFi gear can
make a point to point link for $300 and some times there are uses
for that.
I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line
with what it really was. "Best in class" spectral efficiency?
Your datasheet doesn't actually support that claim, boys. More
smoke and mirrors. I can see how the price would be compelling in
the right scenario, but they could present it honestly and still
sell it.
Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU.
It needs a few more features, but I think most of what I would
want is on the roadmap already. I was messing with an AirCube and
I like that too. I recently deployed an Edgeswitch and I'm pretty
happy with that too. I feel like they've finally grown up. I'm
still very alert for "smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty
happy with these more recent products.
I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog. They grossed
just shy of $200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a
billion in more recent years. They haven't been an "underdog" for
at least a decade. Cambium has something like 1/4 of the revenue
that Ubiquiti does.
On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes
my buttons about this thread... I guess I still have lingering
feelings about supporting the underdog.
Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the
underdog because they have now become like everyone else.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many
of the Kits in stock, and now they're trying to get them
sold off before they start offering piecemeal parts again.
Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when
they thought of the Kit idea, and it was met with
enthusiastic nods around the conference table, after
seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and
giant dollar signs and Moneybags. Then nobody bought
them, so other parts are just magically 'unavailable' now
to drive up kit sales.
On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Agreed. I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been
solid if unspectacular...but the price was right for
certain applications.
I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.
They said they would sell the bare radios again, but
that hasn’t happened yet.
If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer
than 7-8 miles, you need bigger/better dishes than
their 2.5’ dish. Right now, you have to buy the kit
and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the
2.5’ dishes down the road. Horribly wasteful.
Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the
AF-11. They are really screwed right now.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far
superior products - something was wrong if you
faded in the rain at 5 miles.
On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for
11ghz backhauls. They jacked the price up on
the stand alone units. Stock has been
non-existent since November/December which was
the last time I was able to order stand alone
AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell
them again without their crappy dish? Which
BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn
to rust in a couple years which really pisses
me off. I know that other brands cost about
2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed
80mhz channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex
and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually
push over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile
AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a
AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all
Aviat from here on out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their
pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is
awesome, always emails me back within 30
minutes with any questions I have. Hell you
can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for
10gbps full duplex for $5200 out the door.
Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do
2gbps which you can't even get from Baltic
because they are sold out.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com
<mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this
issue internally so that the AF11 is
added. So many changes, so little time...
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck
Macenski <ch...@macenski.com
<mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate
Burke <n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
From Streakwave? They're the one's
that told me this morning they
were never going to get them.
On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B.
Larson wrote:
Streakwave was telling me that
originally too, but it was
during the change of the model
number of the standalone
radio. Now that the model
number for the stand alone
radio is changed, price is a
bit higher, but they are once
again available.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26,
Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com>
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>
wrote:
One distributor I talked
to said they were being
told by UBNT that their
Single Radio order would
never be fulfilled....
On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM,
Chuck Macenski wrote:
That rumor is
incorrect. The AF11
radio is available as
a stand-alone SKU.
https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11
Chuck
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020
at 3:11 PM Sean
Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
wrote:
Why in the world
would you buy
crappy radios from
a crappy company
that likes to
frivolously sue
its customers and
distributors? They
also seem to like
to discontinue
products at the
drop of a hat.
Not gonna build my
business model
around a crappy
company like that.
2 cents
-Sean
On Mon, Apr 27,
2020 at 1:05 PM
Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
wrote:
I've heard a
rumor that the
only way to
buy an AF11
radio now is in a
kit with
Radio+Single
Diplexer+Dish.
Single radios
cannot be
purchased. How
can you keep
spares of
equipment if
that's the case?
The price has
gone up too.
We were
getting bare
radios for
$585 last
year. Now if
you break the
cost out of
the Dishes and
Diplexers from
the Kit, it's
$680 for just
the radio. And
places that
have bare radios
listed in
their online
stores (but
have no stock)
have a single
radio in
the $900 range.
Is UBNT Just
trying to kill
the 3rd party
Antenna
market? Or
were they
having
problems
interfacing to
other dishes
because of
their unique N
connector
method? The
part that
really annoys
me is that I
can't just
have spare
radios sitting
on the shelf.
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