The dinosaurs didn't die from an ice age. Most of them were cooked at an estimated 600 degrees F.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/dinopocalypse-redux

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On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious strain that has pushed out its less aggressive predecessor in Europe and the US east coast.  That certainly throws cold water on some of the vaccine optimism that was starting to build.

 

Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate change before it) is starting to make me think we are no better at handling new threats than the dinosaurs were when an asteroid triggered an ice age.  And that we may all (not just the weak and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs.  I mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re turning on each other and shooting guards at Family Dollar and talking about gutting and eating our neighbors.  (and their stash of Vienna sausages?)

 

https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05

 

 

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Need to see if they will float first.

 

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Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree on what they agree about.

 

I certainly don’t agree with #2.  It is most certainly WAY more contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve gone a full year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is (if we even know then due to all the debates about what is counted).

 

One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this is about 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the actual rate of death to cases is lower.  What is the definition of being “more deadly”?

 

I disagree about shooting everyone though.  I think we should all be burned at the stake.  This of course leads to arguments about what kind of fuel to use and how to ignite it…….

 

 

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so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list.

 

you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody steps up, ill argue it

 

settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science

 

i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to do with the disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot less disagreement that way. Would never work though, we would never get past the caliber argument to even get to shooting

 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

Not sure about a4.   I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea, New Zealand,
Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but that depends upon
what statistics you are talking about.    Hong Kong stands out the most.
   Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you will wonder WTF
are they making it all up?  Could be, but most think they are accurate
because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what they were
doing more than any other country.   4 deaths.

On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Can summarize this pretty easily.  These are facts that probably we can
> agree upon.
>
> 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome.
> 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu
> 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be. (statistics and
> predictions are all off)
> 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar statistics than
> countries that did.
> 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe!
>
> These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with absolute
> certainty these things are correct.
>
> 1) The virus originated from China
> 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus.
> 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally.
> 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be specific (old,
> young, white, black, asian etc)
> 5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections are 100%
> accurate.  There are cases all over of under reporting and over reporting.
>
> --
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> Network Operations Manager
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> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
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> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have
> been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous
> years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT article,
> but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into).
> We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart attack
> died because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated
> heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and whether
> they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. If
> say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in April for the past 5
> years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely blame 5,000
> of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people
> actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died of flu anyway,
> and it just happened to be covid that finished them off instead, or if
> 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they jumped off a
> bridge and were never infected.
> I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of how many
> people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in Utah), but in
> a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many excess
> deaths there were.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>
>     Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs
>     because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased.  But
>     if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out
>     possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like
>     overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of other causes,
>     but also less deaths due to traffic and violence.  And the data as
>     Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t make them up to
>     suit a political agenda or bias.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____
>
>     __ __
>
>     In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted
>     because the system was overwhelmed.  Even in NYC, the morgues and
>     crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in refrigerated
>     semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths
>     being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an agenda.  Then you have
>     all the prison and nursing home deaths.  OK, sure, elderly people
>     croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     __ __
>
>     *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>     <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
>     *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
>     __ __
>
>     The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government
>     sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are
>     supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of
>     different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but probably not
>     for other countries. For example, the numbers coming from China (and
>     several other countries) are by design government based. But to
>     brush them all off as "government or corporations" is being naive at
>     least.____
>
>     I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions.
>     Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a large
>     number of otherwise healthy people are being infected the way they
>     are. At some point, we will figure out that there is a genetic or
>     environmental factor that we just do not understand yet.____
>
>     I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also
>     do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where you cut
>     off is probably a personal thing.____
>
>     bp____
>
>     <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
>     __  __
>
>     On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
>         You guys work with statistics much?  You think the numbers are
>         accurate?  At what point have you ever seen government or
>         corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____
>
>         __ __
>
>         I'll let you do your own homework.  But I've seen hundreds of
>         reports from all over the place of deaths of natural causes
>         being classified as covid deaths.  Since most patients have
>         existing conditions and many were already dying and died of
>         those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc)  are being
>         attributed to covid.  Some people have estimated that upward of
>         20% misrepresented.  So as long as there is 1 case that is
>         questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____
>
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>         *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
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>         *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>         *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
>         *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
>         __ __
>
>         The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can
>         do when we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It
>         also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they
>         were miss-classified. If you think under-ground near-do-wells
>         are planted in all the hospitals around the country and are
>         coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I have a
>         tin hat that might fit real well.____
>
>         __ __
>
>         bp____
>
>         <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
>         __ __
>
>         On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
>             Numbers are completely false.  Even with that taken into
>             regard it still is just as lethal as the regular flu.  While
>             it is way more harsh on people if they get it, most people
>             have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had them, or
>             didn't take it serious when they got it. ____
>
>             __ __
>
>             Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further
>             their agenda. ____
>
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>
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>             image____
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>             ____
>
>             Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...
>             Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal curve. ____
>
>             6 days in a row decline.  But it has done this cycle 3 times
>             before with a huge spike after. ____
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