AIER is not a neutral source, according to Wikipedia it is devoted to
educating Americans on “the value of personal freedom, free
enterprise, property rights, limited government and sound money”.
Sounds like a libertarian think tank. I don’t pay much attention to
“think tanks”. That seems to be a synonym for partisan advocacy group
funded by rich donors, and a place for ex government officials to park
when their party is out of power.
Wikipedia says the CDC estimated that flu killed LESS THAN 100,000
Americans, and that was over 2 years.
I was in college in 1968/1969. I did not go to Woodstock, take drugs,
or roll around in the mud. No comment on music and sex. I don’t
remember particularly high death rates at the time, certainly they
didn’t run out of places to stack the bodies.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:04 PM
*To:* af <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic. Whats the difference now?
t was the summer of love: in 1969 a half a million people gathered
together to listen to music, take drugs, have sex, roll around in the
mud, and share a densely populated area for one long weekend.
And guess what? The whole thing happened during a health pandemic. In
1968 the H3N2 pandemic came to the US from Hong Kong. *It killed more
than 100,000 Americans, mostly over the age of 65, which was more
combined fatalities than both the Vietnam and Korean Wars.*
<https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html> Schools,
movie theaters, bars, tattoo parlors, restaurants, and, of course,
concerts venues stayed open. The stock market didn’t crash, Congress
didn’t issue a lock down order, the Federal reserve had no
involvement, there was no spike in the suicide rate, violent criminals
weren’t freed from jail, and nobody arrested surfers or hair stylists.
https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/
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*From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:28:04 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Fact #1 is disturbing already.
According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the
lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.20%
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/>,
which is in the range of a severe influenza
<https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19> (flu) and about
twenty times lower than originally assumed
<https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3> by
the WHO.
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*From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
More interesting reading.
Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the
mutations, and branches of mutations and their genomes.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov
Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than
previous bad years?
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several medical
papers have been submitted, here is just one.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1
*"**Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident
impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."*
The 6 foot rule effective?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html
" Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres apart to stop
the spread of *coronavirus*
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html> is not based
on any scientific research, a government adviser has said."
The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/
I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it was
detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some interesting
differences that don't adhere to the normal mutation process of a
corona virus. They are claimed to be "insertions".
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Cats are trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the
different strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a
vaccine in a year or so, it will probably end up being only useful
for a strain of the virus that has died out by then.
I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I
digress). It is about the best description of R, R0 (R nought),
and other variations of R. The point being is that I misunderstood
the concept of "flattening the curve". I had thought that reducing
the spread would end up infecting the same number of people over a
longer period of time (so that we don't overwhelm the health
system). Turns out, that if it's done right, you don't flatten the
curve, but you crush the curve. I also believe that the widely
varied infection/death rates comes from a wide variety of factors;
population density, version of the virus(es) that are "local",
extent of social distancing, etc. etc. However, getting 330
million Americans to follow a plan is way, way worse than herding
cats.
https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers
saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious
strain that has pushed out its less aggressive predecessor in
Europe and the US east coast. That certainly throws cold
water on some of the vaccine optimism that was starting to build.
Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate
change before it) is starting to make me think we are no
better at handling new threats than the dinosaurs were when an
asteroid triggered an ice age. And that we may all (not just
the weak and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs. I
mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re
turning on each other and shooting guards at Family Dollar and
talking about gutting and eating our neighbors. (and their
stash of Vienna sausages?)
https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Need to see if they will float first.
*From:*James Howard
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even
agree on what they agree about.
I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more
contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve
gone a full year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is
(if we even know then due to all the debates about what is
counted).
One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this
is about 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the
actual rate of death to cases is lower. What is the
definition of being “more deadly”?
I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we should
all be burned at the stake. This of course leads to arguments
about what kind of fuel to use and how to ignite it…….
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list.
you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody
steps up, ill argue it
settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science
i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to
do with the disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot
less disagreement that way. Would never work though, we would
never get past the caliber argument to even get to shooting
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea,
New Zealand,
Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but
that depends upon
what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong stands
out the most.
Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you
will wonder WTF
are they making it all up? Could be, but most think they
are accurate
because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what
they were
doing more than any other country. 4 deaths.
On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that
probably we can
> agree upon.
>
> 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an
exosome.
> 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu
> 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be.
(statistics and
> predictions are all off)
> 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar
statistics than
> countries that did.
> 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe!
>
> These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with
absolute
> certainty these things are correct.
>
> 1) The virus originated from China
> 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus.
> 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally.
> 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be
specific (old,
> young, white, black, asian etc)
> 5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections
are 100%
> accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting
and over reporting.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
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> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
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> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> It seems to me, that what really matters is how many
deaths there have
> been in excess of what the average was for the same
period in previous
> years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in
the NYT article,
> but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail
they go into).
> We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of
a heart attack
> died because they had covid19 or whether they just had
an unrelated
> heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of
covid, and whether
> they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't
really matter. If
> say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in
April for the past 5
> years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty
safely blame 5,000
> of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if
6,000 people
> actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died
of flu anyway,
> and it just happened to be covid that finished them off
instead, or if
> 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they
jumped off a
> bridge and were never infected.
> I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate
numbers of how many
> people directly died of the infection (other than maybe
in Utah), but in
> a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of
how many excess
> deaths there were.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
wrote:
>
> Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately
dispute these graphs
> because the source is NYT which they will perceive
as biased. But
> if you read the article, they go out of their way to
point out
> possible errors in the data, as well as other
influences like
> overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of
other causes,
> but also less deaths due to traffic and violence.
And the data as
> Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t
make them up to
> suit a political agenda or bias.____
>
> __ __
>
>
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____
>
> __ __
>
> In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths
were undercounted
> because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC,
the morgues and
> crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies
in refrigerated
> semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the
normal deaths
> being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an
agenda. Then you have
> all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure,
elderly people
> croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b>>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> The numbers posted on various web sites are neither
government
> sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics,
and morgues are
> supplying the numbers. There is a level of
uncertainty because of
> different criteria. That is true for the US cases,
but probably not
> for other countries. For example, the numbers coming
from China (and
> several other countries) are by design government
based. But to
> brush them all off as "government or corporations"
is being naive at
> least.____
>
> I would not say that "most" patients have
pre-existing conditions.
> Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why
such a large
> number of otherwise healthy people are being
infected the way they
> are. At some point, we will figure out that there is
a genetic or
> environmental factor that we just do not understand
yet.____
>
> I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100%
accurate, but I also
> do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious
either. Where you cut
> off is probably a personal thing.____
>
> bp____
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
> __ __
>
> On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
> You guys work with statistics much? You think
the numbers are
> accurate? At what point have you ever seen
government or
> corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____
>
> __ __
>
> I'll let you do your own homework. But I've
seen hundreds of
> reports from all over the place of deaths of
natural causes
> being classified as covid deaths. Since most
patients have
> existing conditions and many were already dying
and died of
> those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are
being
> attributed to covid. Some people have estimated
that upward of
> 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1
case that is
> questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____
>
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> Network Operations Manager
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> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
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> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's
the best we can
> do when we don't actually test all the suspected
infections. It
> also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early
deaths, as they
> were miss-classified. If you think under-ground
near-do-wells
> are planted in all the hospitals around the
country and are
> coordinating false numbers on all the rest of
us, then I have a
> tin hat that might fit real well.____
>
> __ __
>
> bp____
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
> __ __
>
> On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
> Numbers are completely false. Even with
that taken into
> regard it still is just as lethal as the
regular flu. While
> it is way more harsh on people if they get
it, most people
> have underlying conditions, or didn't know
they had them, or
> didn't take it serious when they got it. ____
>
> __ __
>
> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further
> their agenda. ____
>
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> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> image____
>
> ____
>
> Every time I get my hopes up this curve
breaks my heart...
> Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal
curve. ____
>
> 6 days in a row decline. But it has done
this cycle 3 times
> before with a huge spike after. ____
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