This is an area where I think we would do well to consider how other countries do this.  My understanding is that civil cases in England put much more of the burden of proof on the plaintiff, and that the loser pays legal bills. So you don't sue a company unless you either (A) Know with very high certainty that you'll win, or (B) are willing to pay the company's lawyers when you lose.

This would seem to pretty much eliminate frivolous "ambulance chasing" and slap suits.


On 5/11/2020 10:15 AM, James Howard wrote:

And the ambulance chasing attorney that probably talked them into doing it……

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that would be awesome if tracing showed that and then the company, and every other person he infected turned around and sued his greedy family into oblivion

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

    In case people didn’t read the article, Benjamin is the fellow who
    died.  He was the union Chief Steward…….

    Another point that occurred to me is that everybody just seems to
    assume that he contracted COVID at work. What if he got it
    somewhere else and he was the one that brought it to that plant
    and spread it?

    *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
    *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 6:34 AM
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    Seems like they employees should be suing the union, after all
    that was who they were paying dues to to protect them in the
    workplace.   Apparentl the union did a pretty crappy job.

    Mark

        On May 10, 2020, at 11:17 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net
        <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

        Benjamin was Chief Steward of Local 1776, a chapter of the
        United Food and Commercial Workers Union.

        *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
        Hohhof
        *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:05 PM
        *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

        A 70 year old was working at a slaughterhouse?

        *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
        *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:50 PM
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        And so it begins.

        
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/coronavirus-jbs-meat-plant-pennsylvania-death-lawsuit

            On May 10, 2020, at 10:43 PM, Chuck McCown
            <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

            Only for ugly people.

            Sent from my iPhone

                On May 10, 2020, at 7:59 PM, James Howard
                <ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

                

                There are 2 separate issues. Having the government
                tell everyone they must wear a mask is one thing.  A
                business requiring customers wear a mask to enter
                their store is another.  The second actually
                correlates to your example and is certainly the right
                of any business to put certain requirements on using
                their facility (within lawful limits of course).  If
                people don’t want to abide by their requirements, they
                are free to go somewhere else or stay home if no one
                will let them in their place of business.

                On the other hand, I assume that it will eventually
                come before the Supreme Court to decide if it is a
                violation of some “right” or other to be told that
                everyone is required to wear a mask in public.

                *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf
                Of *Matt Hoppes
                *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:53 PM
                *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Steve
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                <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

                To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when
                in public".... do
                you also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"?

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