I walked through the ovens at Auschwitz and Birkenau a couple years ago, it was totally silent, no one spoke, we couldn’t find the words. Hardest place I’ve ever been. Pure evil. Define that how you will.
> On Jun 12, 2020, at 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > We watched a movie called “Night and Fog” in high school. I wish I hadn’t. > I will never get those images of folks being slid into the cookers out of my > mind. > It was a mix of nazi footage and liberators footage. Sounds like your 89th > book but the film version. > > From: Ken Hohhof <> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:57 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > It’s probably like the moon landing deniers. They can confront Buzz Aldrin, > who can punch them in the nose. But soon everyone who was actually there > will be dead, and people can rewrite history to fit their biases and > conspiracy theories. > > Most of the people like my dad who fought in World War II wanted to move on > with life and didn’t talk much about the war. But his army unit (89th > infantry division) put together a book with history and photos, including > emaciated survivors and dead bodies stacked like firewood at sub-camps of > Buchenwald. You have never seen anything like it in your life, and you don’t > want to. Obviously I wasn’t there, but my dad was, and anybody who theorizes > that it was just propaganda makes me want to do a Buzz Aldrin on them. > > Like the Marx Brothers quote, who are you going to believe, me or your own > eyes? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxGUe1cjzM > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxGUe1cjzM> > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of James Howard > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 1:08 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > But the skeptic might argue that the fact that you knew someone with a tattoo > on his arm actually proves that it didn’t happen since OBVIOUSLY he wasn’t > killed…… It just proves that they put people in prison camps and/or tattooed > them. > > > This topic definitely has the potential for an early Lent….. > > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:34 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > I was not alive during the Holocaust, nor have I ever been to Germany. > So I only know what I have experienced. > > But the overwhelming quantity of media on the subject seems to indicate > something happened.... > Oh, and the fact I actually knew someone with a tattoo on their arm... yeah, > there’s that... > > From: Adam Moffett > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:21 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > If you mean because of the Internet then I agree with that. I asked an > astronomy question on Quora and an actual astronomer answered it. That kind > of direct access to information and expertise is amazing. On the other hand, > since anyone can put anything out there a lot of fringe people are finding > and supporting each other. > Holocaust deniers sure, but also every other brand of idiocy like homeopathy, > magic rocks, antivax, neonazi's, etc. > > On 6/12/2020 1:15 PM, Robert wrote: >> I worked on the Stanford campus in the 70's.. saw and talked to Shockley on >> a semi-daily basis. Had no idea of the idiocy that he supported. Just >> seemed like a very aloof guy but liked to chat... Yeah we are in an age >> where these people are getting to say what they used to have to hide... >> >> On 6/12/20 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> Professors are a mixed lot. I took a course from this guy, who apparently >>> is still teaching although he would be well into his 80’s now. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Butz >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Butz> >>> >>> I had no idea at the time he was a Holocaust denier. I’ve never understood >>> those people – my dad was in the Army in WWII and participated in >>> liberating some concentration camps. I mean, it’s a freakin’ fact, how can >>> you deny facts. Anyway, my recollection of Professor Butz was I had a >>> friend who kept writing the name as “Prof. Butts” on his assignments and >>> tests. We kept telling him it was spelled Butz but he thought we were >>> joking. Brings new meaning to the expression “butt of a joke”. >>> >>> >>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <> On Behalf Of Robert >>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >>> >>> Were you in the same class as I was? We had the same professor, I think.. >>> Drove me off the deep end... Specially when he blocked the equations with >>> his body as he erased!! But we had this one other assoc-prof.. Name of >>> Jim Clark.. He was wild, specially when he went into game theory and >>> betting systems.. Yep that Clark. Worked for him 20 years later... >>> >>> On 6/12/20 8:44 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> Oh man. I was doing great in calculus until we got to differential >>>> equations. I blame the professor. Harry Blackman. What a terrible >>>> professor! He lectured with his back to the class and wrote on the >>>> blackboard; chalk in his outstretched right hand, and eraser in his >>>> outstretched left hand. He would write equations as he droned, and erased >>>> the information in the space between his hands. What a horrible experience >>>> that was! >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 6/12/2020 8:22 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>>> See, I only cared about the digital stuff. Though power, motors, etc. >>>>> were pretty cool as well. Grades were good in those classes. >>>>> >>>>> Senior project the advisor dinged me for building a system for a plant >>>>> out of a microcontroller instead of using a PLC like he suggested. But >>>>> I want to do Microcontrollers. Yep, first job was building industrial >>>>> control systems with PLC’s. I’m guessing I was a completely cocky >>>>> bastard as a 21 year old. Perhaps someday I’ll grow out of that. Or >>>>> not. >>>>> >>>>> Heh, calculus. My last all night study session managed to turn a >>>>> perfectly good B+ in differential equations into a D. Walked in to that >>>>> exam and drew a complete blank. Should have just slept, probably would >>>>> have aced it. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Those were the ONLY classes I cared about. Got A’s in all things >>>>>> antenna and RF. >>>>>> Got A’s in most of the linear stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Got the B’s in the digital crap that doesn’t matter to anyone.... >>>>>> (those guys are called bit freaks) >>>>>> Got a C- in integral calculus. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Mark Radabaugh >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 8:42 AM >>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna systems :-) D’s >>>>>> get degrees. I’m never going to use this shit. Take the EIT / PE >>>>>> exam? Why the hell would I ever work as a consulting engineer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course my first job is a consulting engineer, and I deal with >>>>>> microwaves and antenna systems every day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, to know then what I know now. Just don’t make me do all this shit >>>>>> over again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Makes you wonder if a wire and an alligator clip could turn the >>>>>>> aluminum box into an antenna. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, fields & waves was not my best course in college. And I have a >>>>>>> fear of heights. So of course I end up running a WISP. But turning a >>>>>>> Faraday cage into an antenna is probably not my best idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>> On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:07 AM >>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like your solution actually. Should work out well. Hardest part >>>>>>> with trailers is getting through the aluminum box. Putting AP’s close >>>>>>> will help a lot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wow this thread blew up while I was sleeping. >>>>>>>> I'm proposing both a wireless and fiber solution. I'm sure they'll >>>>>>>> pick WiFi because it'll be cheaper, but I wanted to put all the cards >>>>>>>> on the table. >>>>>>>> As far as why I'm bothering to propose fiber: >>>>>>>> 1) If there's fiber to the power pedestal, and each ped (or every >>>>>>>> other ped) has it's own little router with it's own SSID and key, then >>>>>>>> there's a security benefit vs having everybody in the park be able to >>>>>>>> sniff traffic from each other's devices. >>>>>>>> 2) We could track any illegal/bad/weird activity to a specific RV site >>>>>>>> (or at least to the proximity of one). >>>>>>>> 3) The changing positions and occupancy of RV sites won't affect >>>>>>>> anybody's WiFi because their WiFi will be right next to them no matter >>>>>>>> what. Neither will the growth of trees hurt them. >>>>>>>> 4) No capacity issue in the park (and the feed TO the park can of >>>>>>>> course always be upgraded). >>>>>>>> 5) Infinitely upgrade-able. >>>>>>>> 6) We have all the equipment and personnel and we want to use them. >>>>>>>> There's an indefinite amount of work for them expanding and improving >>>>>>>> our own network, but if they do it for the campground we can bill them >>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/11/2020 5:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>>>>>>>> Why are you doing fiber? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream over >>>>>>>>> the Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly to >>>>>>>>> the sectors that cover several RV campers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's >>>>>>>>>> part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal. I just thought it >>>>>>>>>> would be nice to have the option to plug in a cable. >>>>>>>>>> I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the RV >>>>>>>>>> power ped. http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/. >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/> >>>>>>>>>> Waiting for them to send me more details, but I think that might >>>>>>>>>> give me a place for the ONT, and incidentally there appear to be two >>>>>>>>>> keystone jacks in it. My two reasons for suggesting this approach >>>>>>>>>> are that each RV gets their own WiFi instead of sharing it with >>>>>>>>>> everybody around them, and if there was ever a law enforcement issue >>>>>>>>>> we could track the usage to a particular site rather than just >>>>>>>>>> "somewhere in the park". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections >>>>>>>>>>> and doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for. >>>>>>>>>>> Don't even carry and ethernet cable... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a post >>>>>>>>>>>> next to their power and water hookups. I'd want the campers to be >>>>>>>>>>>> able to plug Ethernet in at the box if they have the wherewithal >>>>>>>>>>>> to do so. And if they don't then they have their own private WiFi >>>>>>>>>>>> right outside their RV. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ....of course I could get little Hoffman boxes and put this >>>>>>>>>>>> together, but I'm betting someone must have made a product for >>>>>>>>>>>> this already. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <> >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <> >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <> >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <> >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <> >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > Total Control Panel > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com <> > You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
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