I totally agree. AFAIK, you have no control over the channels and widths on Google WiFi or Eero or most of the other similar products out there. I think Orbi gives you some control over the fronthaul but not backhaul.
It would be nice if the service partner partnership controls let you set the 5 GHz channels but I’m guessing no. Big problem for 5 GHz WISP customers. It’s one of the good things about CBRS. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi That might be decent if they let you manually set the channel it uses... On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Just saw this article: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21504317/eero-for-service-providers-launch-isps-partnership-routers From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:47 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the HAP-AC-lites. I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested the routers and yes, WiFi performance is marginal at best, and we have many homes here in NM with adobe walls that just gobble up wifi signal. I have tested the Audience in terms of range and throughput. Both are better, but still are lacking for anything over 50mbps TCP. I would bet that I have not configured the Audience correctly for max throughput. I have not added any Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish the UI wasn't so fiddly to work with. The documentation is fiddly as well... We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in all ways. But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if there is something out there that we can manage and works. On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance? And are you interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both? Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers, the highest performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the Audience model. High xmt power and 4x4 MIMO. Normally used in U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel, while the IPQ4019 is used in U-NII-1 for fronthaul. But as a single router, you could configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance with the QCA9984 would probably be pretty good. I will say that when used in a mesh configuration, the backhaul channel is very robust. And that approach does follow what many people recommend for a mesh or multiple APs - don’t crank up the xmt power too high on the APs but make the backhaul between them solid. Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates. And if reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality wins. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont via AF Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >; Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > Cc: Jesse DuPont <jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last week), I ordered 2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received shipping notification... :) Jesse DuPont Owner / Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc <http://facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband <http://facebook.com/celeritybroadband> On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse? On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont <jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> > wrote: For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of the ac3 (compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least theoretical) reach (compared to the ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a Mikrotik product to fill. We'll see how the tests go. Jesse DuPont Owner / Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/ <http://facebook.com/> celeritynetworksllc Like us! facebook.com/ <http://facebook.com/> celeritybroadband On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz. hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5. Not clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>; Sam Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> <samtaos...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to seeing how they do. The external antenna should be helpful. Jesse DuPont Owner / Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc <http://facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband <http://facebook.com/celeritybroadband> On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: Thanks David. On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote: We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2. It is significantly better. We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there, and we have not seen that on the ac2 either. So it is a much better option in our opinion. Thanks, David Coudron From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are capable of. However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation in the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable that works? I ordered some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help out. 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