In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
cart to have the vote count.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both
> early and day-of. (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
> verified by the voter) Obviously these are very quick to process.
>
>
>
> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election. In
> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
> election, but it used paper ballots. Basically you filled out the same
> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box. That’s how I
> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
> used paper ballots for day-of voting. I expected as the last step before
> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner. Instead I sealed it
> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>
>
>
> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were required
> to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day before
> they could start processing them. This was apparently also the case in
> many battleground states. They weren’t even allowed to open the envelopes,
> uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the
> state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure
> area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked
> (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for
> a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>
> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
> I've never had to use it.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>
> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go. That
> way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> The whole punch card voting "system" was doomed from the beginning. I
> remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County 30 years ago or so.
> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick
> or hang on a corner.
>
> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill
> in the square or the circle.
>
> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When
> I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen
> counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running
> errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that)
> took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens
> of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a
> population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.
>
> Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee
> ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3,
> but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until
> after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about
> 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's
> cushion.
>
> I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards.
> Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand,
> there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona. It’s a
> Maxwell’s Demon approach. Open the door when it helps me, close the door
> when it helps the other guy.
>
> That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the
> Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where
> they thought it would help them. But also the votes had already been
> counted (and recounted). And there was the original Florida Man, some guy
> named Hanging Chad? And the phone call and the retraction.
>
> Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed. That does
> not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
> In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a
> decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
>
> The declaration that Biden has won is premature. This thing hasn't
> really gotten started yet.
>
> Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
>
> --
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yes good movie.
>
> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
> which came soon enough.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>
> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Set
> in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and
> deciding who to elect as their representatives. Should it be Jimmy Stewart
> the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader? The old
> fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
> Washington to represent you. Hah! Politicians are not held in great
> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance. I assume
> everyone has seen the movie. It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
> shot it in B&W, but it’s a must see. Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart,
> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> Uhhhh. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power
> as Rhode Island.
>
> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
> <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral
> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of
> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing
> with decisions we made about slaves.
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> We have spoken.
>
> Righteous Indignation
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