I was always confused why some technology still worked, but other
didn't. Who was keeping the police bar code readers working, and how
were they still doing TV Transmission. The arena battle I understand,
keeping an engine running, and making it bigger and bigger is easy.
On 11/18/2020 3:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
It’s a must-watch movie. Although more like a documentary now.
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2020 2:53 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Idiocracy. Is that the same as "Marching Morons"?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/18/2020 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Good news for AOL users – the world is dumbing down to your level.
We will be like the future in Idiocracy, where the dumbest guy
from the past is now a genius by comparison. Brawndo has what
plants crave!
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2020 2:20 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
This reminds me of something that came up on the mailop.org
mailing list a few months ago.
In Microsoft world (Hotmail, MSN, live.com, etc) there's a "Junk"
button which moves messages to the "Junk" folder. It also
initiates feedback loop reports and can get senders blacklisted.
Well, in the USA there's a historical colloquial understanding
that "junk" mail means unsolicited advertising. If you're a young
person who didn't grow up with Junk mail and Junk faxes, or if
you're in another country looking at a translated view of the
software, then what exactly is the difference between "Junk" and
"Trash"? As you might have guessed at this point, it's been found
that some Microsoft mail users are using "Junk" as the delete
button and thereby reporting every message as spam.
On 11/18/2020 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
It used to be the fix for AOL was to sign up for their
“feedback loop”. Basically they send you every message from
your mailserver that some AOL customer clicked on “Report as
Spam” and you are supposed to review them, in return they
don’t blacklist you. (is there a new non offensive term for
blacklist?)
I’m not sure it’s still active.
Part of the problem is that AOL users aren’t the sharpest
knives in the drawer, and many think the way to unsubscribe
from a list is to click on “Report as Spam”. I would say when
we were reviewing supposed spam from the AOL feedback loop, at
least 95% of it was not spam. For example, we hosted mail for
several churches. New members or visitors would sign in with
their contact info including an AOL email address, and the
church would start sending them weekly newsletters. And they
would click on “Report as Spam”. On the other hand, when an
email customer got their credentials compromised and used to
send spam, AOL would often be an early warning system. But
our mailserver throttles outgoing mail at 100 in an hour per
account and notifies us, and that serves as an early warning
system.
Customers with malware on their computers harvesting their
email password is an ongoing problem. Sometimes we are
changing email passwords every 2-3 weeks for the same customer
until they disinfect all their devices. The usual advice use
a complex password is useless if it is being harvested with
something like a keylogger.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Matt Corcoran
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
AOL has its own problems. Only AOL customers cannot receive
our email invoices and billing alerts. I can’t get them to
fix it. People don’t like me telling them to change email
addresses. But if the mail man regularly chucks your mail
out the window, you need to talk to the postal service or
switch to UPS.
*From: *AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Date: *Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:43 AM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Running the mail server is easy. Continually managing the
server is hard. Hacked customer accounts, SMTP Relays, It's
always 'YOUR' fault that they either cannot receive an email
from a friend, or cannot send an email to that friend. And
the dreaded walking a customer through setting up their email
client.
I.E. AOL randomly just dumps mail from me, their servers
accept it, but never deliver it. I have no idea why, or any
rhyme or reason to it. But it's MY fault when a customer
can't send to their friend at AOL. And now I'm spending time
looking through logs etc. That time all adds up.
On 11/18/2020 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't know why people think it's difficult.
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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:10:14 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Or so he thinks. I hope it works out that way. it always
seemed really cheap to run a mail server, until you had to
do it right. Then it came to be very expensive. I
surrendered and went to GMail. To each his own though. I
know you likely have a lot smarter people than me around
so they will likely handle it with no issue.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Cost. We have lots of accounts on it and lists and
all kinds of other things. We put in our own email
server concurrent with a new domain. So it will save
a significant amount of money for us.
*From:*Darin Steffl [mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com
<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Why are you leaving Gmail? There's nothing better
unless you need to live in the Microsoft ecosystem
then you have office 365.
We love Google apps for business and I use it for
personal email too. They never let me down.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 11:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
On top of all of this, we are migrating away from
gmail today. PITA
*From:*Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com
<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:46 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* OT windows update issues
So, today it appears that my Windows Live Mail
database is corrupt. Can only see headers. So
switching to outlook but that is painful.
I rolled back the windows update that happened
last night but still dead WLM… sob…
Have resisted outlook for years. Few times it
would be nice. When someone sends a meeting or
contact at least I can read it without having to
use a text editor and parsing through the complex
crap…
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