Oops, wrong again. I assumed it was just a general pejorative term, like “What
a maroon!” And not an actual thing.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
It wasn't. It was a short story way back when.
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On 11/18/2020 2:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I did not realize Marching Morons was an actual film.
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Of Bill Prince
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Apparently, Idiocracy borrowed part of its plot from Marching Morons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons
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On 11/18/2020 1:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
It’s a must-watch movie. Although more like a documentary now.
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf
Of Bill Prince
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Idiocracy. Is that the same as "Marching Morons"?
bp
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On 11/18/2020 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Good news for AOL users – the world is dumbing down to your level.
We will be like the future in Idiocracy, where the dumbest guy from the past is
now a genius by comparison. Brawndo has what plants crave!
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Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 2:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
This reminds me of something that came up on the mailop.org mailing list a few
months ago.
In Microsoft world (Hotmail, MSN, live.com, etc) there's a "Junk" button which
moves messages to the "Junk" folder. It also initiates feedback loop reports
and can get senders blacklisted.
Well, in the USA there's a historical colloquial understanding that "junk" mail
means unsolicited advertising. If you're a young person who didn't grow up
with Junk mail and Junk faxes, or if you're in another country looking at a
translated view of the software, then what exactly is the difference between
"Junk" and "Trash"? As you might have guessed at this point, it's been found
that some Microsoft mail users are using "Junk" as the delete button and
thereby reporting every message as spam.
On 11/18/2020 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
It used to be the fix for AOL was to sign up for their “feedback loop”.
Basically they send you every message from your mailserver that some AOL
customer clicked on “Report as Spam” and you are supposed to review them, in
return they don’t blacklist you. (is there a new non offensive term for
blacklist?)
I’m not sure it’s still active.
Part of the problem is that AOL users aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer,
and many think the way to unsubscribe from a list is to click on “Report as
Spam”. I would say when we were reviewing supposed spam from the AOL feedback
loop, at least 95% of it was not spam. For example, we hosted mail for several
churches. New members or visitors would sign in with their contact info
including an AOL email address, and the church would start sending them weekly
newsletters. And they would click on “Report as Spam”. On the other hand,
when an email customer got their credentials compromised and used to send spam,
AOL would often be an early warning system. But our mailserver throttles
outgoing mail at 100 in an hour per account and notifies us, and that serves as
an early warning system.
Customers with malware on their computers harvesting their email password is an
ongoing problem. Sometimes we are changing email passwords every 2-3 weeks for
the same customer until they disinfect all their devices. The usual advice use
a complex password is useless if it is being harvested with something like a
keylogger.
From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf
Of Matt Corcoran
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
AOL has its own problems. Only AOL customers cannot receive our email
invoices and billing alerts. I can’t get them to fix it. People don’t like
me telling them to change email addresses. But if the mail man regularly
chucks your mail out the window, you need to talk to the postal service or
switch to UPS.
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<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Running the mail server is easy. Continually managing the server is hard.
Hacked customer accounts, SMTP Relays, It's always 'YOUR' fault that they
either cannot receive an email from a friend, or cannot send an email to that
friend. And the dreaded walking a customer through setting up their email
client.
I.E. AOL randomly just dumps mail from me, their servers accept it, but never
deliver it. I have no idea why, or any rhyme or reason to it. But it's MY
fault when a customer can't send to their friend at AOL. And now I'm spending
time looking through logs etc. That time all adds up.
On 11/18/2020 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't know why people think it's difficult.
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:10:14 PM
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Or so he thinks. I hope it works out that way. it always seemed really cheap to
run a mail server, until you had to do it right. Then it came to be very
expensive. I surrendered and went to GMail. To each his own though. I know you
likely have a lot smarter people than me around so they will likely handle it
with no issue.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:
Cost. We have lots of accounts on it and lists and all kinds of other things.
We put in our own email server concurrent with a new domain. So it will save a
significant amount of money for us.
From: Darin Steffl [mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> ]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:31 AM
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Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Why are you leaving Gmail? There's nothing better unless you need to live in
the Microsoft ecosystem then you have office 365.
We love Google apps for business and I use it for personal email too. They
never let me down.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 11:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:
On top of all of this, we are migrating away from gmail today. PITA
From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> ]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: OT windows update issues
So, today it appears that my Windows Live Mail database is corrupt. Can only
see headers. So switching to outlook but that is painful.
I rolled back the windows update that happened last night but still dead WLM…
sob…
Have resisted outlook for years. Few times it would be nice. When someone
sends a meeting or contact at least I can read it without having to use a text
editor and parsing through the complex crap…
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