The vaccines that we're working on in the US are faster to develop, but also don't last as long. What China is developing is more like a traditional vaccine, which should last quite a bit longer, although may still be annual.
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > lol. wheres the sars 1 annual vaccine? the h1n1 annual vaccine? annual > spanish flu vaccine? annual Justinian Plague vaccine? > > Im not sure why the "scientists" went full political pundit on this "new > norm" but there is no indicator this wont be like almost every novel virus > in the past and when its starved it will go away. Literally no science > backing the statements that it is a new permanent virus, more historic > actual science based evidence that this is a one and done that may see a > resurgence at some point, but thats it. > > the actual non pundit epidemiologists have said like most new viral > variants this will have a 3 "season" lifespan, likely 4 thanks to > mitigation. we are in the 2nd round, hitting the numbers they anticipated. > without the vaccine to expedite, we will see a spring/summer decline with a > 2021 resurgence in the fall of lower magnitude than this fall/winter. Had > we not mitigated and delayed the natural progression that would be the last > major resurgence, but it would likely see a notable 2022 bump. > > I like listening to actual scientists speak, not televangelists on network > tv. > > its odd how spanish flu isnt killing everybody without an annual vaccine > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:56 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> They no longer vaccinate against smallpox because it was eradicated. The >> immunity from smallpox vaccine lasted years, but it was thought to decline >> over time. >> >> >> >> With a covid vaccine, don’t expect the disease to be eradicated, and >> chances are we’ll need to get vaccinated again every year. The antivaxxers >> are already responsible for a measles resurgence. >> >> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-bad-is-the- >> measles-comeback-heres-70-years-of-data >> >> >> >> If we just barely get enough people vaccinated in 2021 to control the >> pandemic, and then people don’t continue to get vaccinated every year, >> we’ll be dealing with this at some level for a long time maybe forever. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:29 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >> >> >> >> did they have karens back then that said they didnt want it cause it was >> the "mark of the beast" ? >> >> >> >> I think for shits and giggles they should have these vaccines leave a >> mark, just for the memes. last "poll" I saw said we are at 56 percent >> willing to get it. that combined with the recovered immunities will get us >> to herd rate by february >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:18 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> What I recall was them putting a dab of the vaccine on your skin (after >> sterilizing the area), then poking the area with a pin several times. They >> covered it with a bandaid, a scab formed, and a week later the scab fell >> off leaving a small scar. I don't think I have the scar any longer, or it's >> so faint as to be not noticeable. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> bp >> >> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 6:40 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> That may be right. It wasn’t an injection, more like put something on >> the skin and then scratched or did something to break the skin. I believe >> the smallpox vaccine was live virus. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 5:15 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >> >> >> >> Seems to me they scratched me a bunch rather than poked me. At least for >> one of them it felt like scratching. Haven’t looked for the scar in >> years. Wonder if it is still visible. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm >> from a smallpox vaccination as a kid. They jabbed you multiple times with >> a needle, then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually >> fell off and left a scar. >> >> >> >> People today are wusses. Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two >> if I get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die. Or rely on >> everyone around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”. >> >> >> >> But you’re probably right. That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of >> people get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep >> circulating. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >> >> >> >> This will be a real issue for these vaccines.. >> >> https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects- >> from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/ >> >> On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel >> or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm. Sure, why not. >> We don’t need it to actually work, do we? >> >> >> >> *add skepticism to taste >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >> >> >> >> All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the >> numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million >> divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare >> workers and high risk. >> >> I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only >> if a lot of people get vaccinated. >> >> The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson&Johnson one, and that's >> supposed to be a single dose. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the >> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to >> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new >> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been >> the ideal pairing with tracing. >> >> >> >> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health >> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive >> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke >> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop >> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my >> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card, >> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 >> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of >> all the jackleggery everywhere else. >> >> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use >> them, instead ship them off. >> >> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future. >> >> >> >> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we >> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. >> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post >> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the >> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it >> only works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now. >> >> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs >> out. Guess which phase we're in. At this point, contact tracing is pretty >> useless, even testing is of questionable use. About all you can do if you >> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers. >> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already >> suspect they have it. >> >> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough >> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm >> not sure how much it would have helped. Now about all they can do is tell >> people to isolate and tell their contacts. Thank you Capt. Obvious. And >> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless. >> >> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great. Or >> alternatively, a compliant surveillance society like China. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >> >> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in >> church on Sunday from Covid. >> >> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside >> active guy. >> >> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. >> >> He was a staunch anti masker. >> >> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such. >> >> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they >> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though >> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as >> stopping the spread. >> > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y >> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope >> pretty much the same way across the board. >> > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. >> 6 the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked >> different. >> > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting >> the texts. >> > >> > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of >> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm >> in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in >> our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker >> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they >> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes. >> > >> > My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the >> dept public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his >> drive time friday for drivers ed. >> > >> > What a joke. >> > >> > Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to >> die of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the >> election celebration infections are subsiding. >> > >> > Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would >> have known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would >> have. >> > This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the >> other two I know for a fact listed us as contacts. >> > >> > When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and >> dept of health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there >> are a ton of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the >> investigations start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal >> with once, actually forced a multi county health department to split, only >> got one person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well >> enough that the health department had to have constant deliveries of >> pallets of paper. 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