That's what sucks about this whole thing. "Follow the science" is a slogan,
not an actual thing. Like "peaceful protest". Science dictates that without
a test and its results of a theory, then the current malleable fact is
based on existing similar data. There is no existing similar data that
indicates this virus would act differently than the vast majority of other
viruses. The existing similar data is the exact opposite. All the
probabilities are that it will behave in a similar fashion to the majority.
The "new normal" is absolutely not based on any real science or scientific
method. Its contrary in whole to the scientific method since the outcome
was predefined. Yet fools continue to parrot the mantra "follow the
science".
It's sad really, because science used to be cool. Discoveries were made on
accident or as a byproduct of a failed theory, and that was considered a
good thing. A melted chocolate bar in a pocket got us instant ramen
noodles.
Now if the science doesnt prove the theory, the outcomes are manipulated
until it does. I'd like to think the geeks in the lab coats dont give a
shit about an election or getting on a CNN chyron, but current trends show
otherwise. Fauci being a prime example of what happens when you start to
manipulate science for fame.
Look at the consequense of manipulating outcomes to suite a theory. Shielas
and Karen's across the globe still believe vaccines are linked to autism,
all because a fauciesque "scientist" decided to manipulate outcomes for
fame.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:18 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 1918 flu was an H1N1 flu that comes around every few years. 2009 was
> one of those times. It's become somewhat endemic. It will reappear again,
> but because a large proportion of the population carries some level of
> immunity, it will take special circumstances to make it become another
> pandemic.
>
> I suspect the SARS COV2 will evolve in a similar manner, but who knows? No
> one right now.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/25/2020 8:26 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> lol. wheres the sars 1 annual vaccine? the h1n1 annual vaccine? annual
> spanish flu vaccine? annual Justinian Plague vaccine?
>
> Im not sure why the "scientists" went full political pundit on this "new
> norm" but there is no indicator this wont be like almost every novel virus
> in the past and when its starved it will go away. Literally no science
> backing the statements that it is a new permanent virus, more historic
> actual science based evidence that this is a one and done that may see a
> resurgence at some point, but thats it.
>
> the actual non pundit epidemiologists have said like most new viral
> variants this will have a 3 "season" lifespan, likely 4 thanks to
> mitigation. we are in the 2nd round, hitting the numbers they anticipated.
> without the vaccine to expedite, we will see a spring/summer decline with a
> 2021 resurgence in the fall of lower magnitude than this fall/winter. Had
> we not mitigated and delayed the natural progression that would be the last
> major resurgence, but it would likely see a notable 2022 bump.
>
> I like listening to actual scientists speak, not televangelists on network
> tv.
>
> its odd how spanish flu isnt killing everybody without an annual vaccine
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:56 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> They no longer vaccinate against smallpox because it was eradicated. The
>> immunity from smallpox vaccine lasted years, but it was thought to decline
>> over time.
>>
>>
>>
>> With a covid vaccine, don’t expect the disease to be eradicated, and
>> chances are we’ll need to get vaccinated again every year. The antivaxxers
>> are already responsible for a measles resurgence.
>>
>>
>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-bad-is-the-measles-comeback-heres-70-years-of-data
>>
>>
>>
>> If we just barely get enough people vaccinated in 2021 to control the
>> pandemic, and then people don’t continue to get vaccinated every year,
>> we’ll be dealing with this at some level for a long time maybe forever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:29 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>>
>>
>>
>> did they have karens back then that said they didnt want it cause it was
>> the "mark of the beast" ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think for shits and giggles they should have these vaccines leave a
>> mark, just for the memes. last "poll" I saw said we are at 56 percent
>> willing to get it. that combined with the recovered immunities will get us
>> to herd rate by february
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:18 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What I recall was them putting a dab of the vaccine on your skin (after
>> sterilizing the area), then poking the area with a pin several times. They
>> covered it with a bandaid, a scab formed, and a week later the scab fell
>> off leaving a small scar. I don't think I have the scar any longer, or it's
>> so faint as to be not noticeable.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 6:40 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> That may be right. It wasn’t an injection, more like put something on
>> the skin and then scratched or did something to break the skin. I believe
>> the smallpox vaccine was live virus.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 5:15 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems to me they scratched me a bunch rather than poked me. At least for
>> one of them it felt like scratching. Haven’t looked for the scar in
>> years. Wonder if it is still visible.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm
>> from a smallpox vaccination as a kid. They jabbed you multiple times with
>> a needle, then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually
>> fell off and left a scar.
>>
>>
>>
>> People today are wusses. Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two
>> if I get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die. Or rely on
>> everyone around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”.
>>
>>
>>
>> But you’re probably right. That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of
>> people get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep
>> circulating.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>>
>>
>>
>> This will be a real issue for these vaccines..
>>
>>
>> https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/
>>
>> On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel
>> or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm. Sure, why not.
>> We don’t need it to actually work, do we?
>>
>>
>>
>> *add skepticism to taste
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>>
>>
>>
>> All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the
>> numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million
>> divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare
>> workers and high risk.
>>
>> I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only
>> if a lot of people get vaccinated.
>>
>> The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson&Johnson one, and that's
>> supposed to be a single dose.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the
>> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
>> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new
>> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
>> the ideal pairing with tracing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health
>> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive
>> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke
>> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
>> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my
>> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card,
>> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
>> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of
>> all the jackleggery everywhere else.
>>
>> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use
>> them, instead ship them off.
>>
>> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.
>>
>>
>>
>> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we
>> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time.
>> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post
>> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the
>> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it
>> only works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.
>>
>> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs
>> out. Guess which phase we're in. At this point, contact tracing is pretty
>> useless, even testing is of questionable use. About all you can do if you
>> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.
>> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already
>> suspect they have it.
>>
>> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough
>> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm
>> not sure how much it would have helped. Now about all they can do is tell
>> people to isolate and tell their contacts. Thank you Capt. Obvious. And
>> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
>>
>> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great. Or
>> alternatively, a compliant surveillance society like China.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>>
>> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in
>> church on Sunday from Covid.
>>
>> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside
>> active guy.
>>
>> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital.
>>
>> He was a staunch anti masker.
>>
>> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such.
>>
>> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they
>> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though
>> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as
>> stopping the spread.
>> > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y
>> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope
>> pretty much the same way across the board.
>> > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced.
>> 6 the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked
>> different.
>> > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting
>> the texts.
>> >
>> > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of
>> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm
>> in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in
>> our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker
>> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they
>> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes.
>> >
>> > My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the
>> dept public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his
>> drive time friday for drivers ed.
>> >
>> > What a joke.
>> >
>> > Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to
>> die of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the
>> election celebration infections are subsiding.
>> >
>> > Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would
>> have known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would
>> have.
>> > This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the
>> other two I know for a fact listed us as contacts.
>> >
>> > When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and
>> dept of health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there
>> are a ton of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the
>> investigations start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal
>> with once, actually forced a multi county health department to split, only
>> got one person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well
>> enough that the health department had to have constant deliveries of
>> pallets of paper. There were a lot of "early retirements"
>> >
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