Response part 2 (someone else had posted about Rocky Linux):
> FWIW, I suspect there will be a lot of movement over the coming months > with relation to this, as an example ROCKY LINUX which someone you may > have heard of... Gregory Kurtzer has announced he would create (he was > one of the co-founders of CentOS). Yes, I've been following the Slack channels of Rocky Linux from day one and also offered to chip in some help. But after just a few hours or so the various Slack channels were already bustling with hundreds of people doing different things and kicking cans down the curbs in parallel that it was just amazing to watch. There are some (recent) former CentOS and Fedora people involved right off the bat and they know their tools and trade inside out. > So I would not get too bogged down on this topic for now, let the dust > settle and we will probably see a better picture. Indeed. I'm not worried either. Cloud Linux also announced that they're starting a 1:1 community driven port of RHEL8 as CentOS 8 replacement and will offer it free of charge. Like their commercial Cloud Linux it will have (optional) support and some other (optional) add-ons for those that want or need this and are willing to pay for those gimmicks. They say they might have something to show in the first quarter of 2021. The Rocky Linux guys are also targeting Q1 2021 or shortly thereafter. And there is (if hell freezes over) the option to pick Oracle Linux. That's three alternatives so far and they are perhaps not the only ones we'll see. With that in mind I'd say we can be optimistic and can choose and pick whatever suits us best. When the dust has settled the BlueOnyx 5210R YUM repository will receive a small update that switches 5210R to the OS repository that we settle on and I'll also start publishing ISO's that directly install 5210R with the new OS of choice. Even then you're not married to it. If we pick Cloud Linux and you prefer Rocky Linux instead (or vice versa) all you need to do is to change one RPM that contains the OS related repository bindings. Sure, some bystanders (not here, but elsewhere) have mentioned their fears that RedHat might eventually pull the rug entirely and no longer publishes the sources of RHEL8 in a reproducible manner that allows repackaging after debranding. However: The way Open Source works and the way licensing of the components in RHEL8 works they can't do that. Even if the suits at IBM perform rain dance and a goat sacrifice or throw tantrums. The pushback from the industry would also be pretty spectacular and amusing to see. Some even said: "What if IBM decides RedHat is no longer commercially viable and make it go away?" Uhm ... that's even less likely. The US Air Force has awarded RedHat a fat contract to keep the ancient OS in the F-22's alive. And who else but RedHat knows best how to keep deprecated software viable even long after its expiry date? That contract alone will keep the cogs at RedHat greased enough to keep even the suits at Incompatible Business Machines happy. Lastly: The speed at which Rocky Linux got kickstarted is an indication that both the industry *and* the community are ready to defend our niche with tooths and nails and that highly professional help is readily available to pour heartblood and efforts into keeping the status quo. In the end: *** 'tis but a scratch *** \o/ Like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhX_vGRx3WM From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Lincs Chel Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:20 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? Hi; I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux. Consider the following from their blog, news and website:- * If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are in the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward. Switching to Oracle Linux is easy. * https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux * Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS? * https://www.oracle.com/linux/ Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as a good guide:- * cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More * https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/ And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments. Probably their posture may be the best position to take when looking and/or want to "marry" with a particular distro which had various roadmaps during their history. * BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the CentOS project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore we've never been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter of convenience than one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS during the CentOS 6 days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then we kept our eyes and ears open for alternatives and also contemplated contingencies. * You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream * https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder of CentOS is considering a possible return:- And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat pulled the rug out from under our feet. In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say <https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/#comment-183642> : I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org). Greg (original founder of CentOS) If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS, then the impact may even be more on your operations. I am guessing Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually. Lincoln On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but we would have to sit in their board room to understand their thinking. I wouldn't be surprised to see that they are saving money by getting all those community developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down on the expenses in the development department. The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon to. I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was "enterprise". Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since switched to Debian. It's the same, but different. Same enough for my taste, and down-homey enough for the small operation we are. NBD. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Linux... linux is free... right? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM acquired RedHat. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum. Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. This just stinks, I had my centos process down. Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep patching and saying they mean it this time for years? On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL beta instead of RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL. Or there’s Fedora. I believe Preseem runs on Fedora. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? 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I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there major differences to it? I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us <mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote: On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote: > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its > tombstoned in 2021? > > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up. > > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS? It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was because it was rebuilt RHEL. 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