If he just had it at the side of the yard instead of in a corner, you might be 
able to do a variation on how torque arms are guyed.

If I remember correctly, they establish guy points in between the tower legs 
and you then attach guy wires to 2 guy anchors.  The aim being to keep the 
tower from twisting.  But you could also use this strategy to replace a single 
guy wire with two guy wires at +/- 60 degrees from that angle.  That might help 
a little with a single property line, but not a corner.

I assume torque arm guys also experience more tension because they are pulling 
against each other and not just against the tower.

-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

I think I would do your triple guy wire and strut but I would move the bottom 
anchors out as far as possible.  I have seen horizontal structural beams that 
use that same design,

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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
> 
> Its not about comfort on the tower as much as it is trying to keep the link 
> stable.  Plus it is a pain to align since turning a wrench moves the tower.  
> So AF24 and and MM wave gear is near impossible to align.  I'm always about 
> trying to figure out a way to resolve something like this.  I like the 
> engineering challenge but this one has me a bit baffled.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:42:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> 
> Just make him rent a lift when you need to service it. Not your fault 
> he build a sketchy tower. I think your proposed guy wires would do 
> little improve climber comfort and zero to improve actual safety.
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:20 PM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not 
>> the tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>> 
>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
>> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
>> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
>> for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
>> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
>> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some 
>> kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the 
>> tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
>> unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help 
>> but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but 
>> that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above 
>> the concrete.  Thoughts?--
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