Yeah but marketing people are dumb in every company.  I don't underestimate their engineers, but I do believe the people selling it will be prone to overstating what it does.

I think people keep assuming things like "20Gbps per satellite x 12,000 satellites = eleventy skillion yottabits"

Anybody who's ever installed WiFi ought to understand that an AP that can theoretically do 1.2gbps doesn't actually do 1.2gbps, and putting 12,000 of them in a building wouldn't let you multiply capacity * 12,000.

IMO it will be better than existing satellite systems, but it will not be a panacea, and fixed wireless will absolutely still be competitive with it.  ....and of course it won't replace cable or fiber.

On 3/4/2021 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
As much as we all hope there are operational issues that will make it less than perfect, it is made by some very smart people.  People smart enough to land a buck rogers rocket on its tail feathers.  I would not underestimate them.  I am still hopeful that there are issues...
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted, maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to slide off?

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On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about
*Snow Melt Mode*
Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal.
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*From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited!  We already
provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg.

On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general
> consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we
> used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many
> people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening.
>
> I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other
> landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors
> and proving people wrong.
>
> But regardless, beta is beta
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Ha...
>
>     On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>
>         Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes.
>         *From:* Jaime Solorza
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM
>         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>          From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19...
>         unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas..
>         I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes
>         to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them...
>         curious to see how well it works.
>         On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com wrote:
>
>             I think that they are going to find more than enough
>             customers in hard to serve locations that they will not
>             encroach on the better served areas too much.  I am always
>             an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>             *From:* Colin Stanners
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
>             *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>             Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few
>             hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare
>             for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity
>             per sat)
>             Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into
>             such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful
>             that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now.
>             On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com
>             wrote:
>
>                 Already hearing from folks who have the service that
>                 they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light
>                 loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or
>                 doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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