Thanks Gino,

With multiple customers in the same 25-pair cable??

Thanks,
Brough

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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:24 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
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> We had better experience with Positron .HN
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> *From: *AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Brough Turner <
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> *Date: *Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:33 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] http://G.fast or http://G.hn for MDUs with older wiring
>
> We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most
> of these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor)
> into each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet
> VDSL2 gear over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going
> after such buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now
> Planet has discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our
> only spare DSLAM, so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if
> only to obtain spares to keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).
>
>
>
> I have some G.hn experience. Back in 2017, we did a demonstration project
> with Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:
>
>
> http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/
>
> The building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66
> blocks, i.e. 1970s(?) wiring. As we connected customers, the results got
> worse and worse, presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair
> bundles. In the end, results were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we
> get from our Planet VDSL2 gear, but not much. One thing I noticed was the
> KT DSLAM (UbiQuoss U4224BU) had individual RJ11 jacks for each line. This
> compares with G.fast equipment that seems to connect via 25-pair cables.
> Talking to a KT engineer who came to Boston to help with the installation,
> I got the impression that most MDUs where this gear is used in Korea have
> Cat3 cabling, not 25-pair bundles. In any event, I'm a bit discouraged with
> G.hn.
>
>
>
> The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better crosstalk protection,
> for example this:
>
>
> http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdf
>
> but I have no experience as yet.
>
>
>
> If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
>
> Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)
>
> Adtran
>
> Calix
>
> I know Robert and have talked with him recently. But I don't have any
> experience with any G.fast equipment.
>
>
>
> If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about
> the setup and your experience.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brough
>
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