Remember that as a GAA user just because you are in the SAS you do not have first in rights. The SAS only protects the licensed PAL holders. Anyone who shows up to play in the GAA channels has to fight among themselves the same as you do on any unlicensed channels.
I repeat, the first users on a GAA channel in the SAS have ZERO protections from other GAA users, even if they were already shown in the SAS as active registered users. The SAS will not protect you from someone else turning up equipment on the same GAA channel. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 11:17 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA I’ve been seeing this thread on the list for a while but hadn’t really read it. Probably worth keeping in mind when we do turn our stuff on to see how much interference there might be Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2021, at 10:09, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: T-Mobile took over lots of 2 and 3Ghz stuff from Sprint...maybe could be related to that.. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 7:45 AM Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote: LOL, Mike you got to get in the game bro. I typed that up half asleep as well. It’s not always that easy, but yes we have done all that. You really think Crown, SBA, American care? Crowns answer: 3ghz isn’t licensed anyone can use it plus you would need to contact the interfering party directly Well they are partially right. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: <http://www.surfici.net> www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA I just woke up, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't the best yet. Can't you use a spectrum analyzer to track down the sources of the interference and then work with the tower owner on who it is that's on that tower and contact information? ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net> To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:24:25 AM Subject: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA Good morning AF Geeks- Someone help me understand this better. Several questions below. We operate in six counties in Indiana. Some rural some not so much. In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even when we are connected to the SAS. While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on recently had new T-Mobile equipment deployed. I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to pulled the county PAL winners. Listed here: PAL winners for Johnson County, IN: XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) – 30 MHz -Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and currently not deploying in fixed wireless. -Comcast floats off Verizon -Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer locally yet unless subleasing. Questions are: is T-Mobile subleasing PAL’s from any of these three? Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL’s anywhere they want in the country instead of just local counties? Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much spectrum and causing all the interference? Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender. Did any data come from that? What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and does this force other carriers to cut back on total GAA – share nicely? Has anyone found the other SAS providers to be better then GOOGLE. Starting to think their system is worthless or inaccurate. Truth is I think this whole concept of spectrum sharing is poorly handled and not fully tested on 3g. If a carrier is on the same tower, how will that affect sync? I ask because we found some very interesting work arounds and results with upload when we started playing with sync settings…ie distance, frame, channel. If the customer SM is moved from one spot to another or from a roof to a post how badly does this affect the calculations on the SAS side? Things we have discovered: * Even when we find noise floors on spectrum analysis in a reasonable range and move to the cleaner channel on the SAS the interference still trashes the uplinks. * In some cases the SAS is blocking the cleanest of channels which could be PAL related. * In some cases customer SM’s going off other ‘unaffected’ sites nearby may get knocked offline by the new noise. * In some cases we have had to drop off the SAS and found switching to other regulatory has allowed us to switch to cleaner channels and stabilized subs. (which is exactly what we shouldn’t be doing) * We have a ton of 450m units going on towers as both new and upgrades. I am concerned that the more urban areas will struggle with capacity since we have to break this up across multiple sectors. History and Equipment: Again this seems very isolated to our more urban deployments which have historically been awesome in the 50Mhz channels prior to CBRS turn ups. Our more rural areas are not seeing this issue at all. All three locations have very specific and brand new T-Mobile equipment so this has been our assumption of the cause without such proof. Equipment on these commercial towers has been no more then two 450i AP’s with KP 120’ sectors (pending 450m upgrades). Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. 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