Yeah, I wonder how tight the timing is?  I also wonder what kind of packets 
come out of the photo detectors.  If you could take the raw baseband data and 
directly modulate it without any layer 234 type of stuff, you might be able to 
replicate it.  Essentially photon to rf then back to photon.  

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending Calix GPON via RF

I'd have to imagine the timing would get considerably screwed up and you'd end 
up with rogue ONT errors constantly. 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 9:23 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

  Not saying you could convey a full gpon traffic load.  But if you could just 
have a few ONTs stretched out there via RF it would be very handy.  It seems 
pretty simple as a block diagram.  Just a pair of the ONT SFPs and then convert 
that to ethernet.  As long as the timing was tight enough I think it would 
work.  Have to make sure to limit the rate on the ONT to not be able to swamp 
the channel.  Not sure if that is done in the ONT or not on  GPON system.  If 
not an external switch with rate limiting would have to be used.  

  I would guess there is too much latency to keep the system happy.  Pretty 
sure the ONT transmit timing is some kind of polling system and probably 
expects microsecond response times.  That would have to be spoofed probably .  
I wonder if the ONT receiving is essentially a tagging scheme with no sync 
issues to worry about.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 8:41 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending Calix GPON via RF

  Is it even possible?  How wide is an optical channel?  They space them 20nm 
apart, and that's gonna be around 2ghz of spacing between channels.  That 
doesn't mean the channel is 2ghz wide, but it might be "up to" that big and 
you'd need that full duplex.  I mean RFOG puts a whole cable TV system on one 
wave right?  So if they're not a full 2ghz channel they're still pretty big. 
What radio band would give you a pair of ginormous channels like that?



  On 9/8/2021 4:57 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

    I've looked but never found such a beast.  i would love this, even for a 
few hundred meters.  Look into an E3 GPON.  Easier than a full cabinet

    On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

      I am sure this has been discussed before but not finding it.

      I need to extend service to a small cluster of new homes being built.  
About 18 homes.
      Too far to get there with fiber right now.  Maybe in a few years.  

      So I want to extend my system up to them.  Will take a repeater.  So need 
to probably haul a gig up there on point to point.  

      I would prefer to be able to serve these customers with Calix GPON.  I 
could put an E2 system up there and feed it with ethernet.  But it seems 
someone has come up with a way to extend an actual OLT/OIM type of signal via 
RF and put it back on the fiber such that the ONU thinks it is talking back to 
my E7-20 shelf at my C.O.

      Does any of this sound familiar?
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