It's the cost of upgrades.  You buy into a product line and unless you have lots of money collecting dust, changing to a new vendor or even a new product line is out of the question

On 12/17/21 15:00, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
That wasn't a serious concern for me, no.

They tend to leave old product behind and stop supporting it in their various softwares.  
"old" could be 2 years (Air Vision) or maybe a lot longer, but you can't know 
ahead of time.  If they've pulled the rug out from under me several times and yet I keep 
buying their stuff then at some point it's my own fault.


-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 5:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What are you gents using?

Like suing you...

On 12/17/21 12:27 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Lol

I actually really like LTU, but I just think it’s safe to assume
Ubiquiti will screw me over if I build a business around it.

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
AF
*Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2021 3:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What are you gents using?

UBNT still around?

*From:*Jan-GAMs

*Sent:*Friday, December 17, 2021 12:29 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] What are you gents using?

Is ubnt LTU not being considered?

On 12/17/21 11:02, Mathew Howard wrote:

     Yeah, that...

     We've had pretty good luck with mmwave if we keep them under 1/4
     mile or so, but that's about as far as you can push ptmp and keep a
     reasonably reliable connection. ptp mmwave is useful for several
     miles, if you use them for the right purposes.

     On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF
     <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

         Like extreme short range, they quit in bad weather, things like
         that?

         *From:*Mathew Howard

         *Sent:*Friday, December 17, 2021 11:45 AM

         *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

         *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] What are you gents using?

         Well, technically, mmwave radios pretty much do eliminate that
         problem. It's just that they add a bunch of other problems...

         On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF
         <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

             Gee guys, I thought the mm wave radios were going to
             eliminate the problem...

             *From:*Daniel White

             *Sent:*Friday, December 17, 2021 10:42 AM

             *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Jaime Solorza

             *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] What are you gents using?

             Better antennas.  Smaller channels.  Closer sites to the
             subscriber.  Better use of geography to block noise.  Lower
             AGL of APs on towers.  More antenna gain.

             This isn't an equipment question really... it is an RF
             Engineering exercise.

             All things equal equipment like Cambium 450 will outperform
             equipment based on wifi chipsets (Cambium ePMP, Mimosa,
             Ubiquiti).  Beamforming is a big plus (but only helps if the
             subscribers are distributed).

             I'd be using 30deg horns on everything I can.  Keep the subs
             close in, and keep the AP's as low to the ground as possible
             to prevent picking up distant interference.

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             *Daniel White
             *Co-Founder

             *phone:*+1 (702) 470-2770
             *direct:*+1 (702) 470-2766

                 Jaime Solorza

                 December 17, 2021 at 09:34

                 Several WISPs in area are getting hammered with 5GHz
                 interference especially with DFS hits, the normal
                 channels are overcrowded...

                 Ubiquiti and Cambium is mostly what they are using....a
                 few Mimosa out there but I know one wisp who replaced
                 all of his with Cambium and 60Ghz AirFiber..

                 Any ideas?



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