I just added it, but not sure why it would be a Mikrotik rule if the only change I make is to the EPMP AP and it starts working. Unless the EPMP is somehow modifying the packet in a way the mikrotik doesn't like? But why does it decide to suddenly start modifying it.

On 3/24/2022 11:59 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
have you tried the input allow udp 69 rule?

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:33 AM <li...@gogebicrange.net <mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:

    This one is really interesting to follow along with.
    Unfortunately, I am willing to bet support will eventually issue
    and RMA on it and send you a new unit with no real resolution.

    Brandon

    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
    *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:20 AM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

    Took 5 days for the issue to surface again.  It seems that any
    change to the EPMP AP that causes a radio reset will clear the
    issue.  But disassociating or rebooting the SM will not.  The last
    time I changed the 'Reliable multicast' setting and it started
    working.  This time I changed the frame size from 2.5ms to 5ms and
    it started working.  But both of those changes caused the RF to
    reset, so I don't think that it's the setting so much as something
    in the AP network/rf stack getting reset.  I'll open a ticket with
    Cambium, but as infrequent as it is, I'm not sure what they'll be
    able to find.

    On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

        It has not happened again since Saturday, but that's the only
        AP out of the hundred deployed that I set that 'reliable
        multicast' setting on.  I think that it did cause an RF Drop
        when that setting was changed, so maybe just kicking the radio
        from the AP would be enough?  Every other site with the issue
        had multiple sectors, so kicking the SM From one AP would have
        it attach to another AP at the site and it would start
        working.  However rebooting the SM and it attaching back to
        the same AP does not fix it.  Need to wait another couple
        days for it to happen again to do some more testing.Â

        On 3/22/2022 7:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com
        <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

            Interesting.  I think that initial offer is a broadcast
            packet…..maybe that “reliable multicast†setting
            affects broadcast as well?

            Â

            *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
            *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2022 7:38 AM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 and DHCP failures

            Â

            I was able to get a packet capture while it while it was
            happening.  Client had been running fine for about 3 days
            before it started erroring (3 hour DHCP Lease).  Nothing
            was logged with the firewall rules on the Mikrotik doing
            the DHCP Server.

            I have a mikrotik between the 450SM an the EPMP AP, I was
            able to run a packet capture from there.  I ran it on the
            interface of the EPMP radio.  It was showing the DHCP
            Discover being sent to the Server, and the DHCP Offer
            being sent back to the client, but that was it, no DHCP
            Request Packet coming from the EPMP Interface.Â

            On the EPMP AP,  I changed the 'Reliable Multicast' from
            Disabled to Enabled.  And the client immediately got a
            DHCP lease after saving that (No AP Reboot).  The DHCP
            Request Packet came back from the client as soon as the
            Discover/offer packets were sent.  I'm not convinced that
            was the issue, as I don't have it enabled on ay other EPMP
            radio on the network. It seemed more like making a change
in the AP reset something in the EPMP network stack. It's just strange that it happens so randomly.

            On 3/14/2022 7:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

                The mikrotik that handles the dhcp relay or dhcp, log
                any input firewall rules and see if its dropping the
                packets

                Â

                On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 7:03 PM Nate Burke
                <n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

                    Just had it happen on a newly installed
                    EPMP1000<->EPMP1000 link.  AP and SM are both 2.4
                    non-GPS radios.  Feed to site is a 450B off a450M
                    AP.  Relay from barn to house using 2.4 EPMP 1000
                    radios.Â

                    Was working fine when I left,  3 hours later,
                    DHCP lease timed out (Mikrotik DHCP Lease time)
                    and would not get new lease. Rebooting the 1000
                    Radio acting as the AP fixed it.  If it happens
                    again, I'll try to get a packetcapture off it.

                    On 3/9/2022 10:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

                        the mikrotik is dhcp relay, BMIÂ is the dhcp
                        server

                        Â

                        On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:07 AM Josh Luthman
                        <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
                        <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

                            Oh this is on the DHCP server, sorry.

                            Â

                            On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 10:31 AM Steve
                            Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
                            <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                                we have to have it for dhcp relay to
                                keep functioning. otherwise it
                                periodically stops working from EPMP
                                APs, I never knew why, mikrotik had no
                                answer, but it would suddenly get
                                caught up in non ACL drops add
                                action=accept chain=input
                                comment="ALLOW DHCP UDP 67"
                                dst-port=67 log-prefix=dhcp protocol=udp

                                Â

                                On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:12 AM Josh
                                Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
                                <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
                                wrote:

                                    The input chain is to the Mikrotik
                                    itself, ie the IP address that it
                                    would theoretically get from the
                                    DHCP server.  I was thinking of a
                                    managed Mikrotik as a demarc to
                                    the customer's stuff (so forward
                                    chain).

                                    Â

                                    On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 7:57 PM
                                    Steve Jones
                                    <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
                                    <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                                        I had this issue a long time
                                        ago, id like to think that it
                                        was a firmware revision that
                                        resolved the issue, but it was
                                        a long time ago and im
                                        partially retarded.Â

                                        If you have a mikrotik, add an
                                        input rule allow udp 67. Just
                                        for kicks. It might be this
                                        issue that i have that policy for.

                                        Â

                                        On Tue, Mar 8, 2022, 4:22 PM
                                        Josh Luthman
                                        <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
                                        <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
                                        wrote:

                                            Raise a ticket with
                                            Cambium and explain the
                                            situation?  If you could
                                            get pcap that would show
                                            what's missing. Do you
                                            have a Tik behind any SM
                                            with the issue by chance?

                                            Â

                                            On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at
                                            4:05 PM Nate Burke
                                            <n...@blastcomm.com
                                            <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                No DHCP Relay, just
                                                local DHCP Server on
                                                the mikrotik on the
                                                bridge that all the
                                                AP's are part of.

                                                No MAC limit on the SM'sÂ

                                                When it exhibits
                                                itself, a customer who
                                                has been running for
                                                weeks will timeout
                                                their lease, and the
                                                mikrotik will just go
                                                to 'offered'Â
                                                Rebooting the AP
                                                always fixes it.Â

                                                On 3/8/2022 1:18 PM,
                                                dmmoff...@gmail.com
                                                <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
                                                wrote:

                                                    I was wondering
                                                    about broadcast
                                                    rate limit.  That
                                                    would apply to a
                                                    DHCP discover, but
                                                    not to a renewal.Â
                                                    ….but either the
                                                    MAC limit or
                                                    broadcast limit
                                                    would clear when
                                                    rebooting the SM,
                                                    and he says
                                                    rebooting the SM
                                                    has no effect.

                                                    Â

                                                    Is DHCP running on
                                                    the port that the
                                                    AP is plugged
                                                    into, or is there
                                                    a DHCP relay involved?

                                                    Â

                                                    Â

                                                    *From:* AF
                                                    <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                                                    
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                                                    *On Behalf Of
                                                    *Josh Luthman
                                                    *Sent:* Tuesday,
                                                    March 08, 2022
                                                    12:43 PM
                                                    *To:* AnimalFarm
                                                    Microwave Users
                                                    Group
                                                    <af@af.afmug.com>
                                                    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                                                    *Subject:* Re:
                                                    [AFMUG] EPMP1000
                                                    and DHCP failures

                                                    Â

                                                    Do you have the SM
limited on MACs? Look at Ethernet
                                                    Port Security on
                                                    config > network.

                                                    Â

                                                    On Tue, Mar 8,
                                                    2022 at 12:32 PM
                                                    Nate Burke
                                                    <n...@blastcomm.com 
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
                                                    wrote:

                                                        I've
                                                        experienced
                                                        this issue
                                                        randomly, and
                                                        haven't been
                                                        able to track
                                                        down a cause.Â
                                                        Wondering if
                                                        anyone else
                                                        has come
                                                        across
                                                        something similar.

                                                        Mikrotik DHCP
                                                        Server.Â
                                                        EPMP1000 GPS
                                                        AP,  Force
                                                        300 SM.

                                                        At a random
                                                        time, one or
                                                        More Force 300
                                                        SM's on the AP
                                                        will lose the
                                                        ability to
                                                        hand out a
                                                        DHCP Address
                                                        to the
                                                        client.  The
                                                        Mikrotik just
                                                        shows 'Offered'

                                                        Rebooting or
                                                        powercycling
                                                        the SM has no
                                                        effect.  If
                                                        the SM
                                                        Connects to a
                                                        different
                                                        sector, then
                                                        DHCP is
                                                        immediately
                                                        handed out.Â
                                                        If the AP
                                                        reboots, and
                                                        the SM
                                                        reconnects,
                                                        then DHCP is
                                                        immediately
                                                        handed out. If
                                                        the SM is set
                                                        for NAT mode,
                                                        it can get a
                                                        DHCP Address
                                                        just fine, but
                                                        switching back
                                                        to bridge, the
                                                        Customer
                                                        router will
                                                        not get DHCP.

                                                        I've
                                                        experienced
                                                        this from
                                                        4.4.3 all the
                                                        way up to
                                                        4.6.3.  It
                                                        always
                                                        seems to be an
                                                        EPMP1000 AP
                                                        with a Foce300
                                                        SM, but does
                                                        not affect every
                                                        Force300 SM at
                                                        the same time.

                                                        At least now I
                                                        know when I
                                                        start having
                                                        this problem
                                                        to go reboot
                                                        the AP.

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