.... "pay attention to history".....
/“The only thing that we learn from//history//is that we learn nothing
from//history//.”/-Georg Hegel
Recently quoted to me from LLoyd Taylor...
On 4/1/22 10:31 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
If you don’t reign in lobbyists citizen votes become less and less
value and we get the best government money can buy. If they can’t come
to compromises then maybe that can’t get bills pass period…. Not the
worst thing to happen in my mind. It’s really pointless to argue this
since neither party is going to change the status quo, you know
because of that power thing. Things will get a lot worse before they
get better and that might takes 100 years or more, longer if people
don’t pay attention to history and look at what worked well and what
didn’t But hey with common core they aren’t going to let the teachers
go in to stuff like that…. They want us all useful idiots and not have
critical thinking skills.
Brian
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2022 1:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
Lobbying….
It’s a tough one, and there are good arguments both ways.
Politicians are absolutely not experts on much of anything (other
then running for election). As such they need someone to tell them
what they need to be doing. In an ideal world the citizens with
expertise in the subjects would be the ones doing that - but that is
not going to happen. The experts in any given field certainly don’t
have the time or inclination to babysit the politicians.
The other bizarre part of politics in Congress now is that it’s so
polarized that the R’s and D’s often won’t even talk to each other.
The lobbyists have become the middleman. I have personally seen
lobbyists with a phone in each ear with one the D committee staffer
and the other the R staffer and he is relaying positions and trying to
negotiate compromises. It’s completely ridiculous, but it’s the way
DC is working these days.
If you ban lobbyist I think you are going to get even worse
legislation, and probably even more polarization.
Mark
On Apr 1, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
wrote:
Term limits and the ban on lobbying have to go hand in hand, without
that former politicians just become lobbyists, kind of like how FCC
commissioners do now….. They have laws for people like lowly contract
negotiators in the Navy that forbids them from dealing with any
companies they negotiated contracts with for 10 years after leaving
service.
Brian
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>]*On Behalf Of*Jason McKemie
*Sent:*Friday, April 1, 2022 12:27 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
Another big issue is lobbying. I'm pretty much of the opinion that
should be outlawed, at least in the current form (which is basically
bribery).
On Friday, April 1, 2022, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Forgive my History, but isn't that how it 'used' to be? You went to
congress for the congressional session, but ran your normal business
when not in DC? It wasn't your full time job. Although that thinking
will open up a whole hive of 'then only the rich can afford to run the
country'
On 4/1/2022 8:36 AM, Robert wrote:
More like 2 years, but that would be a better system than what we have
created... Maybe you don't have to pay taxes those two years and you
get free medical.
On 4/1/22 5:30 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
Maybe being a representative in Congress should work more like jury
duty. Have a few professional committee politicians and the rest
'regular people' to get the job done. Dear Mr Jones, you are hereby
summons to report to Congress for the next 6 months.
At 06:32 PM 3/31/2022, you wrote:
The operative words in that are "Hold onto their Jobs"Â Â Congress
has become the golden ticket. Until we figure out some way to start
prying them out of the seats and make the seats just another job we
are pretty much screwed and will get more screwed right until it all
falls apart.  I probably have around 20 years left. It's gonna be
interesting to see what kills me first.
On 3/31/22 9:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Partisan politics sucks. Both parties have planks in their platform
that I support. Both have repugnant policy goals.Â
One on one I enjoyed my time with members of congress. But they have
to play a mean game to hold onto their jobs.Â
Â
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:40 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
Â
How brainwashed do they need to be to want the covid IV treatment to
try and save their lives while denying they have covid? It really
makes me sad how easily these people can be manipulated.
Â
Pretty much all fox "news" hosts are fully vaccinated yet they make
their viewers question the vaccine. Trump is vaxxed and boosted and he
has been booed on stage when he said that.
Â
I would love to be able to vote for some GOP members but they keep
proving to me they're so far off the deep end, I don't see how I
possibly could. I'm all for moderate politicians and so far, Biden has
been fairly moderate and not pandering too much to the far left. And I
wish GOP members would stop pandering to the far right beliefs that
are killing people with covid and causing them to storm the capitol
because they think the election was stolen. Obviously, it was not. I'm
firmly against any politician that shows they're anti-lgbtq. It's 2022
so it's time to let people love who they love without hating on them.
Â
Republicans need to do a better job standing up to the nut jobs in
their party like trump, Madison cawthorn, Marjorie Taylor Green, and
some other crazy lady who dropped out of highschool. All they do is
spew hate and don't actually legislate.
Â
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 11:30 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com
<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> wrote:
We buried some anti vaxers in our neighborhood.Â
My daughter in law worked at an infusion clinic where they gave them
the IV treatment.Â
Â
She saw very frightened anti vaxers all day long every day begging for
treatment.Â
And some begging for treatment while denying it was covid.Â
Â
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political VAX
Â
Anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, covid hoax believers are all ignorant to
actual data unfortunately. They believe science is fake, rigged, and
that somehow their favorite far right TV personalities or podcast
hosts are smarter than Doctors and Scientists.
Â
Greenie here and I know more than a few people who have had Covid 2-3
times and they screamed the last 2 years that they wouldn't get Covid
because they had natural immunity. How'd that turn out for them?!?!
Did they admit they were wrong? Of course not because they'd rather
dig their heels in and be wrong 10x worse than admit fault and do the
right thing.
Â
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Utah.Â
Yeah, you don’t need no stinking vax.Â
(Orange no vax, blue vax, green boosted)
Â
I might even go to a movie for the first time in 2 years. But I am a
greenie...
Â
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