It is on top of the current Form 477 requirements currently.

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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement with 
increased requirements?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
<af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
“Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport - only 
then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally connects it to 
layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

>Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access who 
>have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown 
<ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> wrote:
But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find a 
loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not apply 
to me.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
<af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider with free 
access to the internet thrown in...

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.  There's 
way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get some wins.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
That is sarcasm
Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
<af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.

From: Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] BDC

Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months. Then the 
full PE cert is required.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] BDC

Starting to look into what I have to do.
Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the 
alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
(ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering and design, 
deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of relevant experience 
in broadband network engineering, design, and/or performance.

I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications.
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