not mine, but my kids does. my music was made between 1940 and roughly 1996.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Steve...your music sucks, > From Stil Rocking Old Geezer... > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 9:25 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> thats a lie chuck, top kek was gen x or whatever my generation of feral >> fucks is (born 1978). We can work hard, handle technology, fix technology, >> fix analog, give zero fucks about things that dont matter, we have a >> bullshit filter thats out of this world, we fought for our right to party >> and got on the road where the sidewalk ends. We are the last generation to >> blame ourselves for our failures and the first generation to throw >> participation ribbons in the trash (we were the first generation to get >> them). >> you old geese still believed the government was our friend, and all drugs >> are poison (while feeding us pharmaceuticals like candy). You believed your >> elders to indicate respect, we questioned them for the same reason. >> >> gen whateverthefuckweare is the best generation, except we allowed music >> to be destroyed. We should have drowned the whole generation after us at >> birth to avoid that. >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 7:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I just realized, civilization peaked with boomers. All downhill to >>> Armageddon from here on out.... >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 6:25 PM >>> *To:* Ryan Ray >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>> >>> Exactly what problems are young people facing? Almost every single one >>> that wants to can enlist in the military. That will feed them and teach >>> them a skill (and some manners, and how to work) and they will come out >>> with the VA and GI Bill. Pell grants, student loans. >>> >>> If someone wants to better themselves, they can. Kids today have it far >>> easier than ever before. Work from home, online classes that are free, >>> hell you can learn highly specialized technical stuff on Youtube. >>> >>> What is wrong with making yourself a sandwich? If you are broke, don’t >>> f**king spend. You are making my point for me. >>> >>> Oh, the horrors of having to cook your own food, walking to work and >>> living in a single wide. Those are human rights abuses man! (said all the >>> snowflakes and they melted and went down the storm sewer) >>> >>> Where on the stone tablets that Moses brought down from the mountain >>> does it say: “Young people should have it easier than you had it”? >>> >>> You eat what you kill. >>> >>> >>> https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/ >>> >>> >>> *From:* Ryan Ray >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:55 PM >>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>> >>> Not defeatist or jealousy or envy. >>> >>> I’m 34, I bought a 2500sqft house on a green belt in 2013 (25 Years >>> old). Sold my company, and I live an extremely comfortable life for someone >>> my age. No mortgage, a couple nice cars. I worked very hard, lots of long >>> nights, lots of learning to get to where I’m at, and did it all without >>> having any generational wealth to start with. To phrase it for you old >>> folks, I pulled myself up by my bootstraps. >>> >>> However, your attitude is what makes me call you a boomer. You seem to >>> have no empathy and are not willing to discuss the current problems facing >>> young people today. You keep referencing back to how you did it, and just a >>> few bucks in the 80's or the 70's or whatever. I could see it in your post. >>> Saying things like "Make a sandwich at home, ride the bus, live in a >>> trailer" >>> >>> Don't get me wrong Chuck, you're a smart guy. I've learned a lot from >>> you over the years both in person and through this list. I take that as one >>> of my core values is to listen to people, even when I think they're >>> stupidly wrong, and make sure I never close myself off to any viewpoint and >>> that makes me better in everything I do. >>> >>> I just think you're hand waving away a lot of current economic issues >>> plaguing the world. Young people should have it easier than you had it, >>> just like you had it easier than someone born in the 20's. Or should we >>> just keep letting trillion dollar corps run the world and you got yours, so >>> the young kids can go pound sand because their $18/hr job should suffice. >>> (BTW my first "real" job back in 2008 was 35k a year) I was 19. No >>> schooling, and that would be your $18/hr now. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 3:20 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Defeatist attitude. >>>> >>>> Or just jealous? Envy? >>>> >>>> In 1990 I was so broke I was sitting on the side of the highway with my >>>> 4 kids (at the time) selling everything I had to get a bus ticket to get >>>> out of town to get to a job to make a few bucks to move the family. >>>> >>>> Fast forward 10 short years and I had enough to retire. >>>> Just hard work. At 40 no less, not 50. >>>> >>>> And now 33 years later my house is 5 X larger than that. >>>> Hell, my garage is bigger than that. >>>> And my only roommates have been my kids. >>>> >>>> But there was some sleeping in dirt and enjoying it at certain >>>> periods. >>>> Doncha only wish you could be like a boomer... >>>> >>>> *From:* Ryan Ray >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:48 PM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>>> >>>> lol. These boomers I swear. Live in your 5 roommate 2000sqft box until >>>> 50, retire at 87. Bcck in my day I slept in a dirt pile and we enjoyed it. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:41 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Fantasy land >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Ryan Ray >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:54 PM >>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>>>> >>>>> I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're >>>>> talking about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your >>>>> money, trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing. >>>>> >>>>> If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your >>>>> own, you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k >>>>> a >>>>> month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to >>>>> make more than $17 an hour. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Not sure I am getting your point. Young people frequently struggle >>>>>> when starting out. The struggle is valuable. You get ahead by getting >>>>>> educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for. You >>>>>> do >>>>>> not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live >>>>>> in an area where it rains. You eat what you kill. >>>>>> >>>>>> In your example below you are not taking into account, those with >>>>>> half a brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and >>>>>> utilities. That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money. >>>>>> >>>>>> So what is it you want me to learn here? In 1979 milk was >>>>>> $1/gallon. It is now $4.33. Same price adjusted for inflation ... >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents. Today, $4.50, same price >>>>>> adjusted for inflation... >>>>>> >>>>>> What do I need to learn here??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Ryan Ray >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and >>>>>> want to learn and listen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods >>>>>> are at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless >>>>>> living >>>>>> with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with >>>>>> the >>>>>> work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn >>>>>> $18 >>>>>> an hour? >>>>>> >>>>>> Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, >>>>>> gets you $2500 monthly net. >>>>>> Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi >>>>>> <https://www.sofi.com/cost-living-utah/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rent: $1100 >>>>>> Food (No Restaurants): $253 >>>>>> Utilities: $300 >>>>>> Gas?: $400 >>>>>> I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo? >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. >>>>>> You don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k >>>>>> and you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if >>>>>> you're being serious or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, >>>>>>> lives with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand >>>>>>> how hard it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little >>>>>>> comparison for her: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about >>>>>>> $10.70/hour today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor >>>>>>> on the farm from 1960 until I escaped). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility >>>>>>> lineman job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. >>>>>>> That would be about $18 today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in >>>>>>> 1982. Or about $36K today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So how is it people have it so much worse today? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually >>>>>>> parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely >>>>>>> have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they >>>>>>> move >>>>>>> out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeff Broadwick >>>>>>> CTIconnect >>>>>>> 312-205-2519 Office >>>>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell >>>>>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth >>>>>>> and entitlement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. >>>>>>> To use a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and >>>>>>> eating the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly >>>>>>> spend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. >>>>>>> My monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my >>>>>>> car. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could >>>>>>> find and working my way up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am >>>>>>> entitled to more because I exist.” Lol >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the >>>>>>> time, or have conditions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time >>>>>>> online. They still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more >>>>>>> entitled in language and practice than my older kids. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some >>>>>>> of these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> out of thin air without a care. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no accountability or explanation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>>>> via AF >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM >>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get >>>>>>> paid to learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We hire >>>>>>> 17 >>>>>>> year olds. I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young >>>>>>> people of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he >>>>>>> gets >>>>>>> and he works from home. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn >>>>>>> welding position. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He deleted his post then sent me this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello there, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, >>>>>>> I've deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize >>>>>>> that the going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than >>>>>>> $15 >>>>>>> an hour. Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the >>>>>>> future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of >>>>>>> candidates will not even walk through the door because other places >>>>>>> even in >>>>>>> the field of welding pay higher to start. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. >>>>>>> We have people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate >>>>>>> on a >>>>>>> commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is >>>>>>> $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as >>>>>>> $1600+ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any >>>>>>> trouble. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I replied: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job >>>>>>> where they can have a nice home, car and things? Wow, without learning >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> trade, profession or other skill? Our $15/hour people take home >>>>>>> $2000/month. Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> have roommates or live with their parents. And the smarter ones will >>>>>>> quickly be making more than $18/hour. We have exactly zero problems >>>>>>> finding as many workers as we need. So your opinion that "youth of >>>>>>> today" >>>>>>> cannot exist on $15/hour is just that, unfounded opinion. I guess your >>>>>>> definition of "exist" is different than mine. You can exist by walking, >>>>>>> riding a bicycle or taking a bus to work. You can exist by eating home >>>>>>> cooked meals and making a home made sandwich for your lunch. You can >>>>>>> exist >>>>>>> by wearing clothes from a thrift store. You don't need the latest >>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>> and Netflix to exist. Read a book. The struggle IS the journey and is >>>>>>> what creates grit and strong character. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He replied and blocked me: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have >>>>>>> no idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at >>>>>>> 31 >>>>>>> because of how shit things are right now compared to when you were >>>>>>> younger. >>>>>>> But thanks for proving my point by being an asshole about "my >>>>>>> definition of >>>>>>> exist" >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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