You can use 9dot and do your power control, dc in on solar panels 48 volt 
system..    Just another option, lots of reporting and metering there..


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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

OMG get meters.  The panels and batteries will cost more up front and they 
won't last as long.  Solar sucks here in Ohio, it's only going to be worse 
where you're at.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 11:54 AM Steve Jones 
<st...@togservice.com<mailto:st...@togservice.com>> wrote:
we have a dozen or so, but are looking at pole mount micropops (our own poles). 
We are losing a grain elevator site because they decommissioned the elevator 
and theres no real options for the customers in some of the areas. Im just 
trying to get to something we can get solar power with enough battery to last 
through overcast. So Im calculating per battery runtimes, then will look at 
number of batteries we would need to survive vs paying for a ROW meter vs 
losing the customers. Just have to get to the cost per customer to retain them 
and the benefit gained per pole


On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 8:53 AM Brian Webster 
<i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
How many of the batteries do you have? Do you need any voltages other than the 
48 volts? If you have 4 batteries and only need 48 volts then wire them in 
series and not have to deal with the converter.

Thank you,
Brian Webster


From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:59 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

*You’re around C/30 which should be on the high end of capacity.
Lower load usually means a little extra capacity out of the battery.  I 
realized that sentence might have been ambiguous.


From: dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:56 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

You can do the whole thing in Watts.

12V * 150ah = 1800 Watt-hours
1800Wh / 50W = 36 hours

If they’re telling me 95% efficiency, I’d assume 50W out needs 53W in (50 / 
0.95).
There’s usually an efficiency curve for the device based on load and 
temperature so it wouldn’t be 95% in all circumstances.  Your system should be 
drawing less than 5A off the battery, and if your multimeter has a 10A fuse 
like most do, then you could put the meter in line and actually measure the 
amperage before and after the converter.  Then you’d know for sure.

And the battery’s total capacity will have a curve based on C-rate so there’s 
some variability there too.  Usually it lasts longer when you’re drawing lower 
amperage.  You’re around C/30 which should be on the high end.

Age and maintenance of the battery affect runtime as well.  If I want 6 hours 
of runtime then I plan Ah for 12 hours runtime. When my batteries are halfway 
toasted I’m still getting useful life out of them.


From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 9:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

Just trying to cipher runtimes
I have on hand 150ah 12 volt batteries, so thats what id be looking to use.
Excluding the conversion loss of a 12v to 48v step up converter is the math 
correct here?
12v 150ah=1800 watt hours
1800 watt hours at 48v = 37.5ah
50 watts of radio running 48v = 1.04 amps
37.5ah @ 1.04 amps = 32.77 hours runtime

does a step up that claims 95% efficiency mean 95% of the watt hours?
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