The USF did do a lot of good. But its time has passed. Most ILECs took ACAM money to build out fiber everywhere. That program is coming to the end of its first phase. Supposedly all those ACAM companies will now be on their own, to compete in a straight up business model. But the prognosis is they will cry hard enough to get another tranche of welfare.
I think USF could end tomorrow and nobody other than execs at the ILECS would even notice. I know, I was one for many years and I specialized in milking the USF. From: Daniel Pautz via AF Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Daniel Pautz Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program Darn, your first message with the typo had me excited J paying a ton of USF for 100G interstate links, would love to get around that some day as we turn up more its so much wasted cash. Would have been cool if these guys won https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/22-60008/22-60008-2023-03-24.html I know the USF does bring some good, but I thing it also is a big ass waste of “taxes” so much gets wasted, there could be much better ways of doing it and checks/balances From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program Yikes, my mobile keyboard is going downhill fast; In almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers will default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the a/z termination points, if you are paying USF on intrastate transport you probably shouldn't be, and I may be able to assist on new orders if you are getting pushback from your reps. On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 4:13 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: Almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers will default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the a/z termination points, if your paying USF on interstate private lines you probably should be, I may be able to assist on new orders if you are getting pushback from your reps. On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 3:11 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: I think you need to do a lot more research on the subject to really get a good answer. Short version: Collecting USF fees from customers is always optional. Paying USF fees is required for services that are subject to USF. There is a deminimus category where you don’t have to pay the fees (your upstream providers pay them) but once you exceed deminimus you have to pay them yourself. Things subject to USF: phone service, voip service, private line service, point-to-point data circuits, point to multipoint data circuits. Things not subject to USF: Internet service provided to a retail or business customer There are a lot of caveats to the ’things subject to USF’ and the lawyers can’t agree on what it is. USAC acts as judge, jury, executioner, and pockets the money. The FCC occasionally weighs in and confuses things more. I don’t believe you are required to be a 499 filer to participate in ACP for broadband service. Not sure what it would have to do with anything. All of the above is worth exactly what you paid for it :-) Mark On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Peter Kranz via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: I think so, but I’m looking for a confirmation from someone actually participating in it.. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207-0000 pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:21 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program I thought that internet service is USF exempt per ITNA/ITFA in California? On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 4:06 PM Peter Kranz via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: Is anyone participating in the ACP? Did participation require you become a form 499 filer and collect FUSF taxes from your end users? -Peter -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Thank you, TJ Trout Volt Broadband 209.480.3122 Cell -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Thank you, TJ Trout Volt Broadband 209.480.3122 Cell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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