Bill, Since you responded, you want a job too?
Paul -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE bp On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: > I don't want a job! I'd like to retire...... unfortunately the lottery > ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of stuck. I think > Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see myself living there. > Besides, I don't know how far down your sand goes but there are lots of > winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet of snow! The winter before last I > got the plow truck stuck when I was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was > over the windows on both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet > high in front that I was trying to push. > > You just can't have that kind of fun on sand! > > From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of > Paul McCall via Af > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE > > James, > > OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband ! > > The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most > people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the > beach :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of > James Howard via Af > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE > > There you go telling us what to do again! > > From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of > Paul McCall via Af > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE > > IGNORE - unless you want a job > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of > Ken Hohhof via Af > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM > To: > af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug > .com%3e> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE > > I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching > wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it > seems to say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a > different software architecture maybe could. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM > To: > af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug > .com%3e> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE > > Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can > remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my > logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. > What MTA is WISPA running? > > The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're > trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a > Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) > instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each > recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID > and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different > with Amazon is they seem to "forget" > to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so > whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection > rate limited for bad commands. > > I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit: > command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon > SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons. > > I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon > services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe > they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are > configured for impatience? I don't know. > > On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The >> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching. >> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) >> via Af >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM >> To: >> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmu >> g.com%3e> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >> >> In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening >> on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too >> early or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending >> QUIT seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So >> whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already >> get enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on >> cPanel/WHM, almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: >> RBL checks, host rate limit checks, etc. As I said before, this >> wasn't happening when AF was on Beehive's servers and it's not happening >> with the WISPA lists. >> >> I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and >> Curtis understand what's happening from my POV. >> >> On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >>> Received here at 11:59:41. >>> >>> Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation. >>> >>> Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing >>> greylisting, I would look at that as a possible cause. >>> >>> Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to >>> queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking >>> exactly the same including source IP. Amazon may not use the same >>> source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs. Big systems that do >>> greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges >>> belong to the same organization, but you may not have that level of >>> sophistication. >>> >>> Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why >>> I would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are >>> being delayed hours. >>> >>> My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous >>> storm (it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so >>> it's not like I have a particularly speedy setup. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM >>> To: >>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm >>> ug.com%3e> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>> >>> >>> >>> written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm >>> (Fyi) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mathew Howard via Af >>> To: >>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm >>> ug.com%3e> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>> >>> >>> I don't like fried pickles. >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Af >>> [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-bounces >>> @afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%3e>] on behalf of James >>> Howard via Af >>> [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@af >>> mug.com%3e>] >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM >>> To: >>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm >>> ug.com%3e> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>> >>> It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not >>> being able to stay on topic. >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller >>> via Af >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM >>> To: >>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm >>> ug.com%3e> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>> >>> >>> mmmmm. fried pickles. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jay Weekley via Af >>> To: >>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm >>> ug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@af >>> mu >>> g.com%3e> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>> >>> >>> I like pickles. 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