Is microsoft deploying thousands of these outside of africa?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 09/19/2014 06:01 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

They are doing very well overseas and have a lot of big corporate support from companies such as Microsoft.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless....@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 5:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

"If they get enough support and sales"

Who wants to take bets?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 09/19/2014 04:23 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

    Adaptrum has some pretty good stuff there.  If they get enough support and 
sales, you could see gen II which might include 256QAM and MIMO.

    Rory

    -----Original Message-----

    From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af

    Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:16 PM

    To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

    The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that the 
SCADA folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all that spectrum 
away to his cellco buddies.

    On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

        I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another

        piece already!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA

        -----Original Message----- From: Rory Conaway via Af

        Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM

        To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

        Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium

        screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People

        are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.

        For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or something

        802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would rather

        have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I

        consider that the minimum life of the product before a new technology

        needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it fits the

        depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years

        since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the Nanobridges,

        AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that though so our

        financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more to cover it.

        Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average lifespan than

        the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.

        As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band.

        However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or

        something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down

        there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I know of

        2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing things

        with the band and another technology that may be able to be used in

        that band.  We will see how that plays out.

        I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd

        seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. You might

        have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack

        increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for clients

        when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something that

        could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the companies

        that have specialized financing might be able to come up with something.

        Rory

        -----Original Message-----

        From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless....@afmug.com] On

        Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af

        Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM

        To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

        Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't

        get any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you

        will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay.

        I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed

        themselves by making them last forever.

        So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free

        firmware upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what

        some Cambium product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.

        If only TVWS was cheap.  If only there was some more low frequency

        spectrum that WISPs could get access to.  If only power companies

        would stop using 900 for smartgrid.

        Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

        But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread

        and butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the

        usage cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that

        doesn't support video streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper

        than Exede, or just as fast with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky

        enough to be in an area where they don't have spot beams.  And AT&T,

        Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed wireless over LTE.  And the

        ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.

        -----Original Message-----

        From: Christopher Tyler via Af

        Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM

        To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

        I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz,

        what do we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the

        replacement for PMP100 in 900 MHz?

        We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are,

        too many hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in

        large quantities simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure

        would be nice to have an easy way to configure those radios, we

        (Animal Farm) have only been asking for that feature for the last 8

        years, not like they didn't know about it or have the time to figure

        it out.  Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform where we

        don't really need it yet.

        While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is

        still making money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why

        not give us at least some development beyond bug fixes at least until

        there is a 900 replacement?  Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's using the

        newer hardware but still only 2x modulation. We would literally buy

        thousands of them within the next year.

        --

        Christopher Tyler

        MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE

        Total Highspeed Internet Services

        417.851.1107

        ----- Original Message -----

        From: "Mathew Howard via Af"<af@afmug.com>  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:12:25 PM

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

        or even better, put up the ePMP in 5.1, and you could leave it there

        and not lose the 6db.

        ________________________________

        From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire....@afmug.com  
<mailto:af-bounces+mathew=litewire....@afmug.com>] on behalf of Adam

        Moffett via Af [af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>]

        Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:06 PM

        To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

        You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware.  The new GUI is much better.

        Not the same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now.

        If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no

        matter what.  The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7

        and 5.4 in the same unit.  Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7.  Did they

        even make that in 5.4?  So you put your new one on a 5.4 channel,

        start replacing subscribers, then switch it back to 5.7 so you can

        have your 6db back.  The ones that might not work with the missing 6db

        on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do them last.

        This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so.

        --- [ "Ken Hohhof"<af...@kwisp.com>  
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com><mailto:af...@kwisp.com>  <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>  wrote ]:

        -----------------------------------

        You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on

        10.5, and my 430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements

        to the GUI, but honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the

        trouble and mini outages to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.

        I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you

        automate things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will

        probably upgrade the old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a

        mile long sessions list.

        The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface

        improvements into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium,

        they can train their people and write their software and have it work

        the same across the product line.  But evidently that logic was lost

        on the team that developed ePMP.

        If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP,

        it will be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that.

        I am going to be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode

        put into PMP100, that’s surely not a minor change, but without that,

        are the only 2 ways to upgrade a tower from PMP100 to ePMP either find

        some spare spectrum, or do a 1-day forklift of all the subs?  A PMP100

        to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy (except on the pocketbook) if

        you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found you don’t even have to

        realign the dishes.  But replacing a reflector dish with a Force100

        will probably take a little longer.  Maybe not that much.  The worst

        would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the tower at the same

        time and literally have to take down every sub on the tower until you

        get an installer with a new radio out to them.

        From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>  <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM

        To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com>  
<mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

        --- [ That One Guy

        <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>  
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com><mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>  
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>  wrote ]:

        -----------------------------------

        ________________________________

        I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing

        your cards close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck,

        but Cambium (sales staff in particular) would never put out a clear

        answer on its demise.

        We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker

        shorts. We can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan

        accordingly.

        Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our

        answer, but it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a

        cheating wife, you know what shes doing, you know whats going to

        happen when you have evidence, but until you hear it from her mouth,

        you keep on painting the kitchen and mowing the lawn. Cambium, can we

        stop painting and let the grass grow?

        On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af

        <af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com>  
<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

        --- [ Aaron Schneider

        <aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com  
<mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com><mailto:aaron.schneider@cambiumnet  
<mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com>

        works.com>  <mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com>>

        wrote ]:

        -----------------------------------

        Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment

        to an empty message...

        Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've

        been the ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a break from

        releasing FSK version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release

        from that was 13.1.  I don't think there has been any full decision

        on the fate of future FSK releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and

        13.3 on the 430/450 products and will see then.   I'll see if we can

        get a point release with the couple of minor (meaning to fix, not

        meaning "minor impact") items such as missing the None frequency.

        George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas.Â

        Imagine the discussions you can have once you get some libations in

        you and go on tilt at the blackjack table. :)

        -Aaron

        -----Original Message-----

        From: Af

        [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider<mailto:af-bounces%2Baaron.schneider

            =cambiumnetworks....@afmug.com<mailto:cambiumnetworks....@afmug.com>  
<mailto:cambiumnetworks....@afmug.com>]

        On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af

        Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:06 PM

        To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com>  
<mailto:af@afmug.com>

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

        --- [ "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"

        <geo...@cbcast.com  <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com><mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>  
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote ]:

        -----------------------------------

        --

        All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that

        the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if

        you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all

        means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


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