business customers are initially built onto the residential
infrastructure, DIA customers for the most part get private links from
the start. If the subscription on the residential infrastructure
impacts the business customers, they get moved to private links.
As long as the rate wasnt listed as a CIR, but was selected as
commercial, how does the FCC handle that. The only ones listed
specifically with CIR are rates currently sold. Foliage and terrain
aside, when we did our brodband mapping, we actually did two maps with
them, one with our residentail, one with our commercial, to do the
commercial we had to be more specific and we had to make sure we had
the equipment on hand to deploy within 7 days or whatever the
timeframe was.
now home based businesses, I dont even know what thats considered.
Im assuming being safe is better than being sorry. Our coverage area
is being contested anyway by one of those big outfits that contests
everything
Or am I wrong and the FCC is going to come at us the other way saying
we are under reporting by not placing those residential users that
have the marketed business plans in the consumer subscription ?
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In your case, and please correct me if I’m mistaken, you are
running both plans off the same infrastructure with oversell part
of the business plan. If you are selling commercial, I don’t
think 477 doesn’t take this into account. You could have 100
people on an AP with a true 60Mbps and advertise 60Mbps. If the
other 99 people are asleep, you can meet those numbers.
In my case, I have separate infrastructure for all businesses with
nobody else on the AP (effectively PTP at this time). That will
change when 802.11ac comes out and we can deliver more bandwidth
than the current 802.11 equipment with stable firmware can deliver
(802.11ac is not quite ready for prime time). My opinion is that
when we get APs that can handle 150-300Mbps and has other features
that will help in suburban and city environments, that changes and
I have more options for economic reasons. That’s also why we are
building out our infrastructure knowing that kind of equipment
will be coming out so we can be ready for that expansion.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory
<mailto:af-bounces%2Brory>[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
via Af
*Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 8:00 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
The issue thats pushing this is that I have been telling the boss
for years to quit putting residential accounts on business plans,
create a residential rate with the same speeds. (legitimate
business users get more speed, and priority service, as a trade
off most (not all) businesses have a different demand, they
prioritize business related bandwith demands over netflix and
latency reliant videogaming, and they tend to have a peak usage
pattern during business hours which for the most part is a
different time frame than residential peaks. They also tend to
just want the bandwidth available when they need it and dont
sustain full capacity, and if they do, most businesses see the DIA
with CIR as a justified expense.
putting residential users into the business plans just so they can
stream more netflix and torrent more bootleg games just muddles
things up.
our advertising, web site, and marketing material differentiate
the plans as business(commercial) and residential (consumer).
So when doing the 477, as I understand the rules, since its
marketed as a business service, I put the business plans as
commercial even though there are residential consumers in the mix.
The only rates that I checked CIR were the DIA plans.
This was through the powercode export tool, so Im not certain what
it does with the plans selected as commercial but without CIR.
Now the boss is questioning that decision. I told him Im not going
to file falsely with the FCC, I dont know what the ramifications
of that would be if I were caught filing false info knowlegably, I
just know im not risking being the guy they make an example out of.
The simple solution would be to just listen to me and segregate
the plans legitimately.
Im I misinterpreting the rules here, everything I have read says
to base it off the marketing not the deployment, and if we did tag
the business plans as residential, what happens regarding the
business customers listed in those tracts?
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Rory Conaway via Af <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Pretty much. It’s about integrity, not the perception of
integrity. I decided not to oversell business services at this
point but that may change when we get more infrastructure in.
There are enough low-cost options for businesses that it’s just
not profitable. Better to go after the customers that are willing
to pay more for a better guaranteed service. We are finding,
based on orders, that many companies are willing to pay as much as
$750 to get guaranteed services in areas where their options are
more limited.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory
<mailto:af-bounces%2Brory>[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
via Af
*Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 6:47 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
Yeah....but for the 477 filing the documents all refer to
"advertised" speeds.
For residential you can use the "maximum advertised speed" that's
available.
For commercial you can use the "maximum CIR" that's available.
What I took away from my reading was they want you to report stuff
that anybody could call in and order right now with no excessive
farting around, not stuff that you could hypothetically do if you
really wanted to.
Sort of but not totally. For example, if you are rural and
don’t have wireline competitors like cable, low-cost fiber, or
DSL that can deliver 25-40Mbps, then you can be more
competitive with commercial. In that case, You can charge
$300 or more for 25Mbps and up. In suburbs and city
environments for the most part, cable providers are delivering
25/5for about $145, 50/10 for about $250, and 100/20 for
$350. If your last mile as a WISP is off a PTMP vertical
asset like a tower, not only don’t you have the technology to
guarantee the 100Mbps for example, you don’t have a lot of
room on your AP to deliver 50 or 25Mbps. It’s just not
profitable at those levels if you use a standard tower based
model in those environments, even assuming you have little
interference which is another issue. You also can’t push
low-cost business as an option since even 25Mbps DSL is only
$100 or less.
With residential you not only have more options, you also have
a much higher density of users to get a great return on the
vertical asset. That being said, there are still
opportunities in commercial using other designs. Although
there are still pockets of commercial where you might be able
to provide a lower cost model if the only other option the
businesses have is ADSL , for the most part, we are now
targeting businesses that are willing to pay $350 per month or
more.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:33 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
This choice is based on how you market your services is it not?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must
remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled
by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there
must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM
maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a
reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance
manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
