I’m sure things will change later on the next filing .. L
Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential Whatever you submit is wrong. Just accept it. Everybody else's is also wrong....for one reason or another and depending who's perspective we're looking from. Just do the best you can. business customers are initially built onto the residential infrastructure, DIA customers for the most part get private links from the start. If the subscription on the residential infrastructure impacts the business customers, they get moved to private links. As long as the rate wasnt listed as a CIR, but was selected as commercial, how does the FCC handle that. The only ones listed specifically with CIR are rates currently sold. Foliage and terrain aside, when we did our brodband mapping, we actually did two maps with them, one with our residentail, one with our commercial, to do the commercial we had to be more specific and we had to make sure we had the equipment on hand to deploy within 7 days or whatever the timeframe was. now home based businesses, I dont even know what thats considered. Im assuming being safe is better than being sorry. Our coverage area is being contested anyway by one of those big outfits that contests everything Or am I wrong and the FCC is going to come at us the other way saying we are under reporting by not placing those residential users that have the marketed business plans in the consumer subscription ? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: In your case, and please correct me if I’m mistaken, you are running both plans off the same infrastructure with oversell part of the business plan. If you are selling commercial, I don’t think 477 doesn’t take this into account. You could have 100 people on an AP with a true 60Mbps and advertise 60Mbps. If the other 99 people are asleep, you can meet those numbers. In my case, I have separate infrastructure for all businesses with nobody else on the AP (effectively PTP at this time). That will change when 802.11ac comes out and we can deliver more bandwidth than the current 802.11 equipment with stable firmware can deliver (802.11ac is not quite ready for prime time). My opinion is that when we get APs that can handle 150-300Mbps and has other features that will help in suburban and city environments, that changes and I have more options for economic reasons. That’s also why we are building out our infrastructure knowing that kind of equipment will be coming out so we can be ready for that expansion. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory <mailto:af-bounces%2Brory> =triadwireless....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential The issue thats pushing this is that I have been telling the boss for years to quit putting residential accounts on business plans, create a residential rate with the same speeds. (legitimate business users get more speed, and priority service, as a trade off most (not all) businesses have a different demand, they prioritize business related bandwith demands over netflix and latency reliant videogaming, and they tend to have a peak usage pattern during business hours which for the most part is a different time frame than residential peaks. They also tend to just want the bandwidth available when they need it and dont sustain full capacity, and if they do, most businesses see the DIA with CIR as a justified expense. putting residential users into the business plans just so they can stream more netflix and torrent more bootleg games just muddles things up. our advertising, web site, and marketing material differentiate the plans as business(commercial) and residential (consumer). So when doing the 477, as I understand the rules, since its marketed as a business service, I put the business plans as commercial even though there are residential consumers in the mix. The only rates that I checked CIR were the DIA plans. This was through the powercode export tool, so Im not certain what it does with the plans selected as commercial but without CIR. Now the boss is questioning that decision. I told him Im not going to file falsely with the FCC, I dont know what the ramifications of that would be if I were caught filing false info knowlegably, I just know im not risking being the guy they make an example out of. The simple solution would be to just listen to me and segregate the plans legitimately. Im I misinterpreting the rules here, everything I have read says to base it off the marketing not the deployment, and if we did tag the business plans as residential, what happens regarding the business customers listed in those tracts? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Rory Conaway via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: Pretty much. It’s about integrity, not the perception of integrity. I decided not to oversell business services at this point but that may change when we get more infrastructure in. There are enough low-cost options for businesses that it’s just not profitable. Better to go after the customers that are willing to pay more for a better guaranteed service. We are finding, based on orders, that many companies are willing to pay as much as $750 to get guaranteed services in areas where their options are more limited. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory <mailto:af-bounces%2Brory> =triadwireless....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential Yeah....but for the 477 filing the documents all refer to "advertised" speeds. For residential you can use the "maximum advertised speed" that's available. For commercial you can use the "maximum CIR" that's available. What I took away from my reading was they want you to report stuff that anybody could call in and order right now with no excessive farting around, not stuff that you could hypothetically do if you really wanted to. Sort of but not totally. For example, if you are rural and don’t have wireline competitors like cable, low-cost fiber, or DSL that can deliver 25-40Mbps, then you can be more competitive with commercial. In that case, You can charge $300 or more for 25Mbps and up. In suburbs and city environments for the most part, cable providers are delivering 25/5for about $145, 50/10 for about $250, and 100/20 for $350. If your last mile as a WISP is off a PTMP vertical asset like a tower, not only don’t you have the technology to guarantee the 100Mbps for example, you don’t have a lot of room on your AP to deliver 50 or 25Mbps. It’s just not profitable at those levels if you use a standard tower based model in those environments, even assuming you have little interference which is another issue. You also can’t push low-cost business as an option since even 25Mbps DSL is only $100 or less. With residential you not only have more options, you also have a much higher density of users to get a great return on the vertical asset. That being said, there are still opportunities in commercial using other designs. Although there are still pockets of commercial where you might be able to provide a lower cost model if the only other option the businesses have is ADSL , for the most part, we are now targeting businesses that are willing to pay $350 per month or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential This choice is based on how you market your services is it not? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
