So once you get Gigabit to the home how do you deliver that via WiFi? Ok, so you really can’t deliver 1000 Mbps via WiFi but is it really necessary to spend $200 on the latest 802.11AC router to get 300 Mbps? What kind of WiFi throughput can you get from an RB2011? How about the RB951Ui-2HnD?
PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien via Af Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 6:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza We decided to use indoor/outdoor drop and run fiber to a 2011 at desktop or in utility area. Avoids poe injector which can be confusing for customer and generate service cslls. On Oct 12, 2014 6:35 PM, "Jason McKemie via Af" <af@afmug.com> wrote: I put the RB in an outdoor case and run cat5e out to it. Fiber terminates at the closure. When I was using standard ONTs I ran a separate DC power wire to the UPS/power supply inside of the house. -Jason On Sunday, October 12, 2014, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: I figured you'd want to enter the house where most other things enter the house...the fiber/mtik would be on the outside of the house? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Pond via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza So Yes you can use POE with the MT units but I would just run fiber as far as you can to a power location. Sincerely, Jason Pond On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still needs power. what if the point you enter the house does not have power right there? how do you hook that up? utilize POE in some shape, form, or fashion? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gino Villarini via Af To: <af@afmug.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza Still using the firce10 switches? Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for operations. Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the investment in fiber. Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be? On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <af@afmug.com> wrote: Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for hundreds a POP. A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant. The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID. It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset. Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE. The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a cheaper transceiver. I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI right now. I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used to have with a WISP. This fiber stuff is soooooooooooooooo much better and easier. Costs more though. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. Tomorrow will answer some more. Sincerely, Jason Pond Owner Grizzly Internet, Inc p...@grizzlyinternet.com On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <af@afmug.com> wrote: Anyone there that would like to update? I couldn't make it. Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways. I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend. I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment strategies as usual? I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.
