How are you backhauling? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:42 PM, TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rory, > > Do you have any pics of your microcells? how are you mounting them? on > houses? Tripod? > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via > Af <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But I think you missed Mark's point, or maybe part of it. Synchronizing >> APs at the same site is also a very big benefit, not just >> geographic/multi-site. >> >> >> On 10/19/2014 12:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: >> >> If we lived in an area where things were flat, you might be right. We're >> full of hills and valleys, mountains and glaciers. >> >> ... but we're not flat, and Rory is doing similar things in his >> environment by using low-to-the-ground microcells and using the residential >> structures to create an urban canyon effect. >> >> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >> On 10/18/2014 01:52 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: >> >> And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything new. I >> suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything given the >> amount of noise your making. >> >> Mark >> >> On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: >> >> You just hit the nail on the head why we have never considered deploying >> 450 (and similar) in the past: >> >> By the time "you" (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for those >> sectors, "we" (another relative term, for people deploying UBNT or >> similar) have already thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least 10 >> clients per. If we don't think we can hit a decent sub density or at >> least make the site a valuable repeater, then we don't go there. >> >> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >> On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: >> >> I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put the omni >> in to get the site up and once the customers are there change it to >> sectors. The 450 platform is very easy to drop sectors in and have the >> existing clients link right up. I have a couple sites with existing >> customers i am dropping a two sector 450 system in with 120 segree KP >> antennas. cant afford any more sectors than that per site right now... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> Wavelinc Communications >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> http://www.wavelinc.com >> tel. 419-562-6405 >> fax. 419-617-0110 >> >> On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are deploying omnis (presumably >> because they can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA Atheros with sectors over >> omnis on anything any day. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser via Af" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons >> >> TJ, >> >> No difference between the 3 different frequencies bands (other than >> NLOS range) as far as the product itself they are all the same animal. >> 2.4ghz NLOS is slightly better than 3.65ghhz. They all function the same >> and have the same expected throughputs per channel width. They all use the >> same firmware and i love the interface being the same across all 3. The >> only major difference is the 5ghz is V/H versus slant on the other two. >> That just translates to the 5ghz omni being ALOT smaller and lighter. There >> are some places that i wish the 2.4ghz woulda been V/H because of the omni >> size but overall I am still very happy with the 2.4ghz 450. >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> >> Wavelinc Communications >> >> P.O. Box 126 >> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> >> http://www.wavelinc.com >> >> tel. 419-562-6405 >> >> fax. 419-617-0110 >> >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Kurt, >>> >>> Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65 and 5? Any differences at >>> all? Range vs throughput? Obviously 2ghz penetrates better, 3 is licensed >>> and 5 has more spectrum but anything else? All bands are open for me >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and >>>> then middle of the summer deciding i had to"try" some ePMP because the cost >>>> was so low I couldn't resist.... I can say now that I am fairly certain I >>>> will probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I >>>> considered them all i came to this conclusion. Here are my reasons: >>>> >>>> 1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more than 10 >>>> clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty much >>>> 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about this at the road tour and they noted if >>>> you want the best latency to stick with the 450. >>>> 2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you have >>>> adjacent towers on the different platforms that can see each other you >>>> won't have sync. >>>> 3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for when the >>>> clients fire up their wireless camera and baby monitors and trash the whole >>>> spectrum. >>>> 4.No burst bucket on CPE's >>>> 5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained at the tour they were >>>> offloading alot of processing power to the PC you are viewing the interface >>>> with and i can't be taking a quad core machine up a tower to work on these >>>> radios and do site surveys. I am working with a Panasonic Toughbook and >>>> takes FOREVER to log into the EPMP radios. >>>> 6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA with ePMP. Think its a >>>> combination of many factors here... slow interface one of them... >>>> 7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power output. Something like >>>> 13-14db. When using an omni antenna you can't get maximum legal EIRP out of >>>> the ePMP. >>>> 8. 450 link tests and SM modulation is pretty stable and predictable. >>>> EPMP seems like its all over the place. I don't think I have yet seen EPMP >>>> linktest get full up or down outside of a lab environment. >>>> >>>> There might be other reasons but I'm pretty tired and was heading for >>>> bed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>>> >>>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp >>>>> offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty >>>>> quickly on some equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and >>>>> epmp do you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money >>>>> when epmp seems to have the same if not better performance , sync, etc? >>>>> >>>>> My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution but with all >>>>> of the positive epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra money? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Radabaugh >> Amplex >> [email protected] 419.837.5015 x 1021 >> >> >> >> >
