Rory, Do you have any pics of your microcells? how are you mounting them? on houses? Tripod?
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > But I think you missed Mark's point, or maybe part of it. Synchronizing > APs at the same site is also a very big benefit, not just > geographic/multi-site. > > > On 10/19/2014 12:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: > > If we lived in an area where things were flat, you might be right. We're > full of hills and valleys, mountains and glaciers. > > ... but we're not flat, and Rory is doing similar things in his > environment by using low-to-the-ground microcells and using the residential > structures to create an urban canyon effect. > > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com > On 10/18/2014 01:52 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: > > And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything new. I > suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything given the > amount of noise your making. > > Mark > > On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: > > You just hit the nail on the head why we have never considered deploying > 450 (and similar) in the past: > > By the time "you" (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for those > sectors, "we" (another relative term, for people deploying UBNT or > similar) have already thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least 10 > clients per. If we don't think we can hit a decent sub density or at > least make the site a valuable repeater, then we don't go there. > > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com > On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: > > I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put the omni in > to get the site up and once the customers are there change it to sectors. > The 450 platform is very easy to drop sectors in and have the existing > clients link right up. I have a couple sites with existing customers i am > dropping a two sector 450 system in with 120 segree KP antennas. cant > afford any more sectors than that per site right now... > > Sent from my iPhone > > Kurt Fankhauser > Wavelinc Communications > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > http://www.wavelinc.com > tel. 419-562-6405 > fax. 419-617-0110 > > On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > > I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are deploying omnis (presumably > because they can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA Atheros with sectors over > omnis on anything any day. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser via Af" <af@afmug.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons > > TJ, > > No difference between the 3 different frequencies bands (other than NLOS > range) as far as the product itself they are all the same animal. 2.4ghz > NLOS is slightly better than 3.65ghhz. They all function the same and have > the same expected throughputs per channel width. They all use the same > firmware and i love the interface being the same across all 3. The only > major difference is the 5ghz is V/H versus slant on the other two. That > just translates to the 5ghz omni being ALOT smaller and lighter. There are > some places that i wish the 2.4ghz woulda been V/H because of the omni size > but overall I am still very happy with the 2.4ghz 450. > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM, TJ Trout via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > >> Kurt, >> >> Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65 and 5? Any differences at >> all? Range vs throughput? Obviously 2ghz penetrates better, 3 is licensed >> and 5 has more spectrum but anything else? All bands are open for me >> >> Thanks >> >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af <af@afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then >>> middle of the summer deciding i had to"try" some ePMP because the cost was >>> so low I couldn't resist.... I can say now that I am fairly certain I will >>> probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I >>> considered them all i came to this conclusion. Here are my reasons: >>> >>> 1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more than 10 >>> clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty much >>> 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about this at the road tour and they noted if >>> you want the best latency to stick with the 450. >>> 2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you have adjacent >>> towers on the different platforms that can see each other you won't have >>> sync. >>> 3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for when the >>> clients fire up their wireless camera and baby monitors and trash the whole >>> spectrum. >>> 4.No burst bucket on CPE's >>> 5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained at the tour they were >>> offloading alot of processing power to the PC you are viewing the interface >>> with and i can't be taking a quad core machine up a tower to work on these >>> radios and do site surveys. I am working with a Panasonic Toughbook and >>> takes FOREVER to log into the EPMP radios. >>> 6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA with ePMP. Think its a >>> combination of many factors here... slow interface one of them... >>> 7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power output. Something like >>> 13-14db. When using an omni antenna you can't get maximum legal EIRP out of >>> the ePMP. >>> 8. 450 link tests and SM modulation is pretty stable and predictable. >>> EPMP seems like its all over the place. I don't think I have yet seen EPMP >>> linktest get full up or down outside of a lab environment. >>> >>> There might be other reasons but I'm pretty tired and was heading for >>> bed. >>> >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> >>> Wavelinc Communications >>> >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> >>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>> >>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp >>>> offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty >>>> quickly on some equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and >>>> epmp do you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money >>>> when epmp seems to have the same if not better performance , sync, etc? >>>> >>>> My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution but with all >>>> of the positive epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra money? >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > -- > Mark Radabaugh > Amplex > m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 > > > >
