You're making this way too complicated :P On December 10, 2014 9:59:25 AM AKST, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: >Im lost on punching down the transtector alpu-ort. I dont know what >pinst >go where, I cant find a pinout for either and the color markers on the >punchdowns are only orange and blue. theyre numbered but i dont know >per >what standard, we are terminated 568b on the two ethernet connections, >im >just concerned without verification we will either lose some >suppression >capability or damage the surge arrestor > >On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Daniel White via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> >> >> There is no need for the DC surge arrestor if you are using our PoE >> solution, but if you have it you could put it between the power >supply and >> PoE injector… Regarding the Transtector ALPU… I’d put that at the >> cabinet/building entrance. The SAF PoE splitter is a surge arrestor >as >> well… and so is our PoE injector. >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy >via >> Af >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:32 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> We are installing one of these tommorrow, there is a transector alpu >and a >> dc surge suppressor. We are using the POE splitter. Im not sure where >to >> place these two items, as i understand it, both ends of the POE >splitter >> have suppression, the top end is a short ethernet and short DC lead, >I am >> inclined to put the suppression on the DC input at the bottom to >isolate a >> utility spike and I have no clue about the ALPU >> >> >> >> anybody know where these go? >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: >> >> Chuck, make a 4ft dish! >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Sean Heskett via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> wbmfg feed horns install from the back. >> >> >> >> But they don't have a 4' dish. Just 2' & 3' >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, December 5, 2014, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> I just finished assembling the 3' antenna, still have the 4. >> >> >> >> Is there a compatible antenna with a rear loading feedhorn? Not for >this >> link, but future. Feedhorns pretty much never croak out, but if it >did, >> field replacement on this would make me get really stabby on somebody >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel White via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Steve, >> >> >> >> You’re licensed for 18dBm TX power (max the radio does at 256QAM) and >up >> to 25dBm TX power (for 4QAM operation). This allows variable TX >power to >> work. >> >> >> >> So set the TX power to 18dBm for alignment, hit your target RSL, then >> enable ATPC and Variable TX Power. >> >> >> >> You could also enable 4QAM modulation and set the radio for 25dBm TX >power >> for alignment, but make sure you adjust your target RSL to >compensate. >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 2:13 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> So the next question is what to set the TX power to it lists tx power >and >> max tx power, is the max what we officially are limited to? and the >tx what >> it should meet the link specs at or something? I assume for alignment >ill >> set it to max tx fixed, then do final alignment to the link loss, >then turn >> on variable tx and atpc? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Be sure to tape it with a gopro if/when that happens. >> >> For some reason a picture of Agent May from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. >with >> black sunglasses on kicking in your door saying "FREEZE IT'S THE >FREQUENCY >> POLICE" appeared in my head. >> >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> >> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com >> >> On 12/05/2014 11:57 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: >> >> If the FCC jackboots kick in my door Im sending them your way. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Daniel White via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Oh also some channel sizes are not used in ETSI land… so there is >that too. >> >> >> >> I actually fought to take it out… until I had a heated conversation >with >> some of our engineers on the “why” and they convinced me. Here is >the >> summary: >> >> >> >> The reason of having the ETSI and ANSI reference is: >> >> - There are different spectrum mask definitions for ETSI >40MHz >> and ANSI 40MHz, where ETSI 40MHz are more stringent. However, at >20MHz ANSI >> are more narrow. >> >> - Although the difference is just few Mbps in data rate but >for >> spectrum masks tests against ETSI/ANSI it is either PASS or FAIL. >> Technically one is not allowed to use ANSI channel BW in ETSI >countries. >> >> - An option could be to drop any wider channel BW spectrum >mask >> (generally ANSI) and leave only more stringent one (generally ETSI), >which >> would sacrifice some Mbps in data rate... Although, my opinion is >that >> would mean competition have radios with higher data rate. >> >> >> >> Maybe we could have done it another way – and open to suggestions. >But I >> doubt we would roll a new firmware release to make a change on the >way we >> do this (since it’s been that way since 2008). >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 1:50 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> On the SAF's interface it list the bandwidth like so: >> >> 40000 ANSI (FCC) & ETSI >> 50000 ANSI (FCC) >> 56000 ETSI >> >> I've wondered about that too, but I'm pretty sure it's fine to use >56MHz >> in FCC territory if that's what your licensed for. >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [ >> af@afmug.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 2:43 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> Pretty sure your license says 56 MHz. Your radio can do 56 MHz. >What do >> you mean 56 is ETSI only? >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Im lost on the wizard screen, The highest FCC bandwidth looks to be >50mhz, >> but I thought we were running 56, the 56 option is ETSI. Im not sure >what >> to select for modulation either configuring the high side right now >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> That's exactly what we have done. Works well without all the muss >and >> fuss of antennas, attenuators, etc. Heck, the output power is ~~ 20 >dBm >> (give or take). What's that 100 MW or so? Unlikely that you're >going to >> damage anything. >> >> -- >> >> bp >> >> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> >> >> >> >> On 12/5/2014 11:39 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: >> >> If you are just testing functionality, just lay them on their backs >> pointed at the ceiling. No need to go to the effort of attenuators. >If >> you are worried about it, lay a thick book over the waveguide >opening. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af >> >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 12:30 PM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> Where did I put that attenuation kit...screw it grab the paper we >never >> use. >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Daniel White via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Yep… because we had to come up with a solution when no one wanted to >buy >> the $600 kits to do it the proper way ;-) >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 10:32 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> >Of course in house we only use the proper waveguide + attenuators >kit. >> >> >> >> Of course there's a reason you're comfortable with the ream >attenuation... >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Daniel White via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> He got it from our support team. >> >> >> >> Works fine… 2 reams if you have the TX power set low works… but at >full TX >> power you want more attenuation… most like 4-6 reams. >> >> >> >> Of course in house we only use the proper waveguide + attenuators >kit. >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 9:57 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> IIRC it was Kris that suggested the paper ream trick. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Daniel White via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Nothing wrong with the advice given here. >> >> >> >> FYI we do sell a test kit as well that comes with waveguide flanges >and >> attenuators, but it is pretty spendy if you’re not doing these often. >> >> >> >> A few reams of copy paper should work…. You may want to back of the >TX >> power until you deploy them. >> >> >> >> Also, keep ACM off while doing alignment. Make sure to enable it if >your >> licensed for it once the link is aligned. >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 9:49 AM >> >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> I have not seen her post any cat videos, but maybe she has aliases I >don't >> know of. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" <af@afmug.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, December 5, 2014 10:46:22 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> It's my go to frequency coordinator. There are others like Comsearch >> (Tim). >> >> >> >> http://www.intelpath.com/ >> >> >> >> As far as I know she doesn't do any cat videos. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> What do you mean? I assume the vendor we paid to do the FCC process >> handled that based on what the FCC says, we had to do a different >polarity >> because there is another 11ghz link in a similar path. What does this >liz >> lady do, is she the one who puts up all the cat videos on the >internet? Im >> always suspicious of women named liz. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Josh Luthman via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Who is responsible for figuring out your frequencies? While a vendor >can >> do it, I'd suggest calling Liz @ IntelPath. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> I know the vendor sent me documentation on cabling/grounding, but I >cant >> find it anywhere. We are using the SAF POE injector/splitter. Both >> components have surge suppression, but we also have an ALPU surge >> suppressor and a DC surge suppressor, Im not sure where in the mix >these >> go, top/bottom etc. >> >> >> >> We did the expedited FCC approval, but dont have a PCN, does that >come >> directly to us or to the vendor that did it and is relayed to us. I >dont >> recall providing our FRN, so where will this license be applied? Is >there a >> way to get it into our FRN portal (the one for managing the 3.65 >stuff) or >> is that a separate type of license? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> 35 miles since we're in 'merica. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> Also, make sure that FCC Applications have been filed before turning >these >> on in the field (even for alignment or testing). The PCN does not >provide >> authorization to transmit, but you can operate under Conditional >Authority >> as long as the FCC Applications have been accepted for filing at the >FCC, >> the applications did not request a waiver, you are not located in a >quiet >> zone, and you are not located within 56.3 kilometers of an >international >> border. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:07 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> Yes, you are going to want to have the PCN in hand for configuring to >make >> sure you get frequencies on the right side, TX power, polarity and >all that >> right... I would think it would be pretty safe to assume you're >licensed >> for full power since you had to go with 4' dishes, but I'd still want >to >> check what the PCN says. >> >> I don't remember running into any particular problems setting ours >up, but >> it's been a few years. >> >> I do not recommend strapping the dish to your back to carry it up the >> tower... >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy via Af >[af@afmug.com >> ] >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 10:01 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> Also, all of the details, including transmit power, should be on the >PCN. >> You should have the PCN in hand. If you don't I would print it out. >You >> should also have a path analysis with expected signal strengths, and >those >> come in really handy when you are aligning. If you are not where the >path >> calc says that you should be then you could be on a side lobe >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >wrote: >> >> I haven't used SAF before but I generally set the radios across the >room >> from each other (with no dish) to test the link. They will link up >without >> being next to each other. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> >wrote: >> >> We havent used SAF or done licensed before >> >> >> >> Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats >to it? >> >> As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned >off, >> so powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side >with >> the flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx >power, >> this wont hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? >If I >> leave them on for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this >fashion? >> >> >> >> Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at >maximum >> radio power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, >all I >> know is we have approval on the link. >> >> >> >> Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring >out >> how to get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without >> denting it >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, >do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> > > > >-- >All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >the >parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >not >use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
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