Wow coal dropped didn't it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Jan 15, 2015 11:03 AM, "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> wrote:

>  What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are
> still using natural resources to make the electricity:
>
> In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation
> were
>
>    - Coal 39%
>    - Natural Gas 27%
>    - Nuclear 19%
>    - Hydropower 7%
>    - Other Renewable 6%
>       - Biomass 1.48%
>       - Geothermal 0.41%
>       - Solar 0.23%
>       - Wind 4.13%
>     - Petroleum 1%
>    - Other Gases < 1%
>
> So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>>  Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen
>> hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank
>> for range and quick fill up.
>>
>> That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging
>> stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go.
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>>
>> But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   Solar powered car.
>>> Solar powered house.
>>> Eventually solar powered garden too.
>>> Oil?  What is oil?
>>>
>>>  *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) <li...@packetflux.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM
>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>>>
>>>  For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one
>>> of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go
>>> to like $250/barrel and stay there.
>>>
>>> We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's
>>> next.  There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than
>>> oil.  Unfortunately at $50/barrel the R&D and infrastructure buildout costs
>>> look silly to spend.   (Why spend billions moving to something that costs
>>> basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in
>>> place).   At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move
>>> in the right direction.   At even higher, all of a sudden the political and
>>> financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There's an old, insightful joke about "what is the best price to sell
>>>> barrels of oil for", which states that it's something like "$100, $100,
>>>> $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100....."
>>>>
>>>> At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like
>>>> hydraulic fracturing.   At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same
>>>> industries.  There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability
>>>> to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a
>>>> side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve.   With additional US
>>>> sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now
>>>> a glut in the market.   The question is ... at what level is this
>>>> sustainable stateside?   I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of
>>>> these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our
>>>> willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I have mixed feelings.   I like the price of gas when I get
>>>> to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope
>>>> continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep.  Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in
>>>>> the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to
>>>>> squeeze into the market, etc.  It's multiple birds with one stone.  US
>>>>> oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of
>>>>> gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up
>>>>> production again.  The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad
>>>>> for them, but all bubbles burst.  A lot of Americans will have a net
>>>>> benefit.  Macroeconomics is complex.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie
>>>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>> > From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of
>>>>> OPEC.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right
>>>>> here in
>>>>> >> the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada.  I bet eventually
>>>>> when the
>>>>> >> additional pipeline capacity is completed  it may drive things even
>>>>> lower,
>>>>> >> but that is just my thought.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It would be nice if they could do the same with grain.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But
>>>>> I look
>>>>> >>> at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the
>>>>> rubber band
>>>>> >>> snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without
>>>>> the export
>>>>> >>> and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at
>>>>> least. This
>>>>> >>> is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>> inherently and artificially inflated market.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>>> >>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The investment has already been made to build the wells.  I know
>>>>> it
>>>>> >>>> would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up
>>>>> again, then
>>>>> >>>> just resume production?  Even under new ownership?  Doesn't sound
>>>>> like a
>>>>> >>>> permanent problem to me...
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>> From: Bill Prince
>>>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM
>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal
>>>>> producers.
>>>>> >>>> Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like
>>>>> Iraq &
>>>>> >>>> Iran.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time
>>>>> right
>>>>> >>>> now.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> bp
>>>>> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC
>>>>> >>>> diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> From: Jeremy
>>>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
>>>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>>> >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Same up here in Ohio.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> >>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> >>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> >>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" <bwireless...@gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> 1.75 here in my area
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" <v...@atlasok.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> vlad
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have
>>>>> stations at
>>>>> >>>>>>>> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Travis
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --
>>>>> >>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
>>>>> that the
>>>>> >>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if
>>>>> you can't
>>>>> >>> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do
>>>>> not use a
>>>>> >>> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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