The Coal industry here has been bad and it's already showing signs that it's about to be worse.
Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > Yep, they are getting ready for the new EPA regulations to pretty much > put them out of business and have closed boatloads of mines. Lots of > people out of work in Kentucky right now. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:10 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices > > > > Wow coal dropped didn't it? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jan 15, 2015 11:03 AM, "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> wrote: > > What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are > still using natural resources to make the electricity: > > In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation > were > > - Coal 39% > - Natural Gas 27% > - Nuclear 19% > - Hydropower 7% > - Other Renewable 6% > > > - Biomass 1.48% > - Geothermal 0.41% > - Solar 0.23% > - Wind 4.13% > > > - Petroleum 1% > - Other Gases < 1% > > So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. > > Travis > > > > On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. > Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range > and quick fill up. > > That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging > stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices > > But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Solar powered car. > > Solar powered house. > > Eventually solar powered garden too. > > Oil? What is oil? > > > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) <li...@packetflux.com> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM > > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices > > > > For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of > the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to > like $250/barrel and stay there. > > > > We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's > next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than > oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the R&D and infrastructure buildout costs > look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs > basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in > place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move > in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and > financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. > > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote: > > Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. > > > On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > There's an old, insightful joke about "what is the best price to sell > barrels of oil for", which states that it's something like "$100, $100, > $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100....." > > > > At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like > hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same > industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability > to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a > side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US > sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now > a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this > sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of > these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our > willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. > > > > Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to > the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope > continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. > > > > -forrest > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in > the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to > squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US > oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of > gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up > production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad > for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net > benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie > <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. > > > > > > On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here > in > >> the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when > the > >> additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even > lower, > >> but that is just my thought. > >> > >> It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I > look > >>> at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the rubber > band > >>> snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the > export > >>> and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least. > This > >>> is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is > >>> inherently and artificially inflated market. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller > >>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The investment has already been made to build the wells. I know it > >>>> would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up again, > then > >>>> just resume production? Even under new ownership? Doesn't sound > like a > >>>> permanent problem to me... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Bill Prince > >>>> To: af@afmug.com > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices > >>>> > >>>> It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers. > >>>> Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like Iraq > & > >>>> Iran. > >>>> > >>>> Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time > right > >>>> now. > >>>> > >>>> bp > >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>>> > >>>> On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I wonder what is really driving the price down. Fracking, OPEC > >>>> diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ??? > >>>> > >>>> From: Jeremy > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM > >>>> To: af@afmug.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices > >>>> > >>>> Thanks Obama! (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??) > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman > >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Same up here in Ohio. > >>>>> > >>>>> Josh Luthman > >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>>> Suite 1337 > >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" <bwireless...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1.75 here in my area > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" <v...@atlasok.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> vlad > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations > at > >>>>>>>> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Travis > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that > the > >>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't > >>> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not > use a > >>> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > >
