People have been complaining about that for decades.
Think we will make a difference here?
bp
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On 1/31/2015 8:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Seems more logical to fix the high cost process than to enable it.
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:12:38 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
Just the cost of BLM compliance to extend fiber to a few homes in
Nevada exceed $20K per home. When you do it the government way, it
costs 10 times more than in reasonable. So they compensate with
providing a way to serve the debt.
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
Just as WISPs have been, I think RLECs have been painted with a large
brush. Many good, fewer (but too many) bad apples. Those stories of
$20k+/year in subsidies per line. The reception of subsidies (of any
amount) to bring the rural cost of a line less than the urban cost of
a line. Windstream and CenturyTel both bringing in enough bonus USF
money to have scaled as large as they have in the past decade. Those
are all excessive.
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:45:52 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
I don’t think the USF pool happened prior to NECA. It started with
the 1996 act I believe. Before NECA AT&T was in charge of sharing
the bounty with the rural telcos. There was a doctrine of USF but the
guvmn’t had nothing to do with it. AT&T was in charge. Or rather in
CHARGE writ LARGE.
You used to have to battle AT&T to get your piece of the pie. Similar
if all the ISPs had to go battle with XO if everyone was on usage
based billing and you gave all your monies to XO praying they give you
back your share. That is the regime that all the rural telcos lived
under for most of the history of telcos.
Divesture broke that up, formed NECA and established a true USF. This
was prior to the internet. This was to allow the mom and pop telcos
in the rural areas to get their fair share. They were (and many are)
just like all of you guys. Don’t hate on them just because they
enjoy the pioneers preference. They bought a cord board and spent
their lives running wires to each house. They borrowed from the RUS
and were helped a bit with subsidies. Why hate them? They were just
like you, just 100 years ago.
Just because the WISP world came along later and could do many of the
same things cheaper and better, it comes of sounding sour grapes when
the telcos get the benefit if a long history of providing good
service. They are all currently deploying FTTH and that is clearly
where the FCC wants them to be.
Moreover they have a legal “duty to carry” which is a common carrier
doctrine dating back to the Roman Empire. They have many other
duties, burdens and regulatory requirements. You don’t.
Just a few short years ago, it would have been illegal to even have
been a WISP. Be thankful for what you have. Gheeze already.
*From:* mailto:t...@franklinisp.net
*Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 8:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
No one on this List or the FCC will convince me that the telco needed
this to get federal funds to help them with network builds. THEY have
PISSED AWAY all USF funds they keep getting. How the hell do you think
Century Link bought Embarq!
The USF FEE has been around since 1934 and added to in 1996. All for
the very purpose to support these idiots.
I want everyone who voted for this rule fired and citizenship revoked!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net
<mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote:
According to 477, if I have a census area that only has 1Mbps
customers, then that area is labeled under served, correct?
Looks like the FCC just figured a way to hand their buddies grant
money or (dons tin foil hat) ultimately take over the Internet
infrastructure.
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*From:* Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 2:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
I don't know if we can answer that question until we see how
the rule is worded if and when it actually becomes a rule.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/30/2015 12:21 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Even if you don�t deliver 25Mbps as defined, can�t you
just put a plan rate for 25Mbps and give it some
ridiculous price that no one will ever buy, then claim
broadband?
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I mean the other lower plan rates wouldn�t be broadband,
but your company could be branded as selling broadband?
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*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:40 PM
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