I'm not worried about the gig versus 100 meg - I want to remove ethernet problems! That third option skews the results.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:17 PM, timothy steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote: > Answer Choices– > Responses– > – > YES This Will End Cable Errors on Towers > 68.83% > 53 > – > Yes But Only in the AirFiber Family > 18.18% > 14 > – > No I See No Point in more then 100Mbps on A Radio or Removing Cable Errors > 5.19% > 4 > – > Responses > <https://www.surveymonkey.com/analyze/D2VeJUcXmFdcCowZwRtn2N3Da91JBfLGGsAylwcdSa4_3D#> > Other (please specify) > 7.79% > 6 > Total77 > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Our direct DC is fuse protected at the base, but no surge or protection >> at the top. I figured the 2amp fuse would be sufficient. >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >> > wrote: >> >>> My DC sites are just power to the unit (packetflux usually). >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> On Feb 3, 2015 11:46 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd be interested to know if these tower-top DC protectors are going >>>> just before the radio (mere inches), at the PDU you're using or somewhere >>>> else. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:43:54 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With >>>> AFiber port? >>>> >>>> Those of you who are running direct DC, are you using tower top surge >>>> protectors? Anyone have an example of these you can link me to? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> BTW: My intent with dual SFPs is to allow for router maintenance >>>>> without losing the link. Dual cable everything, then you can perform >>>>> maintenance (intentional or not) and you keep passing bits. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:29:51 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With >>>>> AFiber port? >>>>> >>>>> There's clearly a market for radios with SFP ports, I really don't >>>>> understand why they aren't making them. MIkrotik routers only cost $5-$10 >>>>> extra with an SFP port, so it can't cost that much, and that can easily be >>>>> passed on to us without anyone complaining... well, assuming they keep >>>>> making a cheap version without SFP, I imagine there would be riots on the >>>>> ubiquiti forums if they tried to raise the price of radios by more than >>>>> $0.12 >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Exactly. Run two cables with 24 or more strands up diverse paths. SFP >>>>>> to each device. I'd like to see dual SFPs on every device and SFP+s on >>>>>> devices that could possibly surpass 1G, but one step at a time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:17:18 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With >>>>>> AFiber port? >>>>>> >>>>>> If literally every device on the tower had an SFP I'd be in heaven. >>>>>> I'd run TWO cables for DOZENS of devices. Fiber patch cables everywhere >>>>>> on >>>>>> the tower!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> SFP every single tower and enterprise device. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 9:30:02 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With >>>>>>> AFiber port? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SFP should be on backhauls. For APs I don't think I'd use it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 10:22 AM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I really can't see a good reason for airFiber not to have an SFP >>>>>>>> port... I really don't think anyone would mind if it added a couple >>>>>>>> bucks >>>>>>>> to the cost. I think it would even make sense to have an SFP option on >>>>>>>> something like the titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets, no >>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>> not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can do that on a separate DC system. I've seen multiple >>>>>>>>> manufacturers say you can't on a PoE system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are your links filling the GigE? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most of the time people aren't concerned with protecting the >>>>>>>>> radio, but whatever likely more expensive gear is inside or the >>>>>>>>> structure >>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> >>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 8:40:31 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio >>>>>>>>> With AFiber port? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many manufacturers recommend surge protectors at both ends. >>>>>>>>> It’s certainly possible, I have licensed gigabit POE radios with >>>>>>>>> protectors >>>>>>>>> top and bottom and no errors. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ve never seen how a surge protector at the bottom of the tower >>>>>>>>> protects the radio at the top, seems like it protects the >>>>>>>>> router/switch/POE. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not saying I love my Purewave system, but it has 48VDC on a >>>>>>>>> separate pair of wires and they have you put DC protectors top and >>>>>>>>> bottom. >>>>>>>>> They told me field failures of basestations went way down with the >>>>>>>>> addition >>>>>>>>> of the DC protectors. And capacitance is no issue, you can put big >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> MOVs, gas tubes, diodes, whatever you want on there to absorb the >>>>>>>>> surge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2015 7:04 AM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio >>>>>>>>> With AFiber port? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Easier to protect power alone than power + data. Usually I see >>>>>>>>> the data going out anyway vs. the power side. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I really did mean ESD as I separated ESD and lightning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Usually the manufacturer recommends only one additional surge >>>>>>>>> suppression device as to data capacitance issues. That restriction >>>>>>>>> goes >>>>>>>>> away with separate power + data (over fiber). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> >>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, February 2, 2015 10:48:29 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio >>>>>>>>> With AFiber port? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you say no more ESD issues? (I think you really mean >>>>>>>>> lightning issues, I don’t buy this wind blowing across the plastic >>>>>>>>> nonsense.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A lot of the time when radios get zapped, it’s the power circuitry >>>>>>>>> that’s damaged. You are still powering the radio over copper. Until >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> figure out how to power it with light, you are vulnerable to surges. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It helps a lot if you put a DC surge protector right at the radio, >>>>>>>>> but how many people do? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And as long as you have a coax jumper to the antenna, you are >>>>>>>>> vulnerable to surges finding a path from the antenna to ground via the >>>>>>>>> radio. Again, can be mitigated with a good coax surge protector, but >>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> many people do that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Inside a POE fed radio, there should be transformers in the data >>>>>>>>> path, it’s the power path that has DC continuity. The Ethernet >>>>>>>>> transformers should provide quite a bit of resistance to surges due to >>>>>>>>> primary/secondary isolation, possibly a ground foil between primary >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> secondary, plus differential surges should be attenuated by >>>>>>>>> transformer >>>>>>>>> core saturation. So the most vulnerable circuitry is the power path. >>>>>>>>> Which still exists if you have DC power and data over fiber. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 10:35 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio >>>>>>>>> With AFiber port? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No more ESD issues. No more lightning issues. No more RF issues. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *EVERYTHING* on a tower should be fiber. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" <br...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, February 2, 2015 9:54:16 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio >>>>>>>>> With A Fiber port? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I personally wouldn't want to have to run fiber and power to the >>>>>>>>> airFiber. One cable is already enough. There is really no reason for >>>>>>>>> fiber >>>>>>>>> on any of their products. With that said, it's pretty cheap to put >>>>>>>>> the SFP >>>>>>>>> on. There is also no reason they cannot put them both on at least the >>>>>>>>> airFiber. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It cannot possibly cost very much - a $35 rb260gs has a sfp >>>>>>>>> port... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 2, 2015, Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don’t think this passes the economic factors model for them.. >>>>>>>>>> I don’t think they would sell enough of them to make it worth the >>>>>>>>>> engineering, mold work, etc… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd >>>>>>>>>> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 >>>>>>>>>> Mobile: 510-207-0000 >>>>>>>>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *timothy >>>>>>>>>> steele >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 4:57 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With A >>>>>>>>>> Fiber port? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> posting this Survay on All the forums Want to see what you guys >>>>>>>>>> think Should UBNT Make A Radio with a Fiber Port? I Will Send the >>>>>>>>>> Graph to >>>>>>>>>> the UBNT Team >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8SPM9NT >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >
