are those links running with gps sync?
Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > We just did some optimization of our 3 Mimosa links and latency is about > 18ms over 3 hops with a 50/50 setting on the traffic split so basically 6ms > per hop. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > > > Argh, "It wouldn't surprise me"... > > > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > I'd be curious to see how this actually worked at an end user's location. > I wouldn't surprise me if these guys did some sort of trickery or > prioritization for demonstration purposes... > > > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I wouldn't have thought it would, but it kinda supports my point that if > you can control the other metrics, latency can go much higher on VoIP calls. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:51:28 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > I talked to the Exede guys at AF. After running a speedtest with 650+ms > of latency they told me that their VoIP works perfectly. I called BS and > they had it hooked up and said feel free. I called my wife and had about a > five minute conversation. I have noticed worse lag on the AT&T VoIP > service locally (like where you are constantly talking over the top of each > other). It had two very small, almost unnoticeable, points where it > 'chopped out' a bit. I was completely blown away. Apparently VoIP can > work fine with 700ms latency. I never would have believed it if I hadn't > seen it myself. > > > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well if there is a mention of latency (and whether there is or isn't) will > speak volumes about the influence (or lack thereof) of the satellite > broadband industry. And if there is a specification for latency (and I've > never understood why there isn't), then it should surely be < 500 ms, and > more reasonably < 100 ms, or possibly < 200 ms. I think the tolerance > breakpoint for any VoIP-type service is in the area of 200-250 ms. > > > Exede claims to support some type of VoIP service these days. Has anyone > had the opportunity to see how this actually works (or doesn't)? > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 2/14/2015 9:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I guess we really don’t know what latency, usage limit or price is > acceptable because the FCC hasn’t told us yet. The Report & Order > resulting from Proceeding 14-126 didn’t set benchmarks for them. Maybe > Mike says 100 ms because that’s the limit for CAF II funding. Round trip > to the Internet exchange point. > > > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2015 11:11 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > > > 100 ms end to end. That user device to the far server. If you're like Josh > in Alaska, there's 30 - 40 ms before you even get anywhere in the cables > down to Seattle. The Internet seems to work okay for him. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:12:19 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > I think Kurt’s point, which I agree with, is this is a PTP product, and > backhaul latencies get multiplied by the number of hops, while you only > have one “last mile”. > > > > You can perhaps use licensed or other FDD radios for the first few hops > and go cheap with the last few hops at the farthest reaches of your > network, especially if there is a plan to upgrade these in the future. > That doesn’t work so good though if you have a backhaul ring. > > > > I agree with Rory that 10 ms isn’t a bid deal. I don’t agree with Mike > that 100 ms doesn’t really matter. The problem is that a whole bunch of 10 > ms links adds up to 100 ms. > > > > Also I worry that some CDN’s use fancy new TCP stacks that back off based > on latency rather than packet loss as an indicator of congestion. I think > they are wrong to assume that everyone uses infinite buffers for queuing > rather than packet drop, but they don’t ask my opinion. > > > > > > *From:* John Woodfield <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz> > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:01 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > > > Not to mention the UBNT gear under load has at least that much latency... > > > > > > > > John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) > 708-1937 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> <r...@triadwireless.net> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:10am > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > ADSL latencies used to be over 40ms or more. Cable latencies are about > 10ms from my router to the first hop so 10ms isn’t that big a deal. I > agree with you Mike. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2015 7:45 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > > > A lot of WISPs get hardons over low latencies, but as long as end-to-end > is under 100 ms or so, it doesn't really matter. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, February 14, 2015 8:39:27 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > I wonder if WISPs are going to be part of a trend toward higher latencies. > > > > It used to be customers mainly did web browsing and really noticed whether > the websites snapped up immediately or lagged. Now everyone is streaming, > streaming, streaming. And websites are more worried about tracking cookies > and on-the-fly ad auctions for your eyeballs than responsiveness. Plus > people use mobile devices and are accustomed to the higher last mile > latency of 3G and LTE. > > > > Still it’s a little disappointing to backslide on latency because > customers don’t value quick response like they used to. They just want > mass quantities of data to watch video, as cheap as possible. > > > > I guess gamers still care about ping times. > > > > > > *From:* Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2015 7:44 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > > > I would assume AF5x is going to be the same issue if you are using GPS? > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower Consulting > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 630-621-4804 > > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> > wrote: > > I can't afford 8-12ms of latency 7 hops out... Time for some Full Duplex > links I suppose.... > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: > > The Mimosa seems awesome so far (Except for lack of SNMP support, which is > coming in April). If you have GPS sync it seems to run between 8ms-12ms. > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower Consulting > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 630-621-4804 > > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> > wrote: > > I was hoping to replace a Ligowave link I have that's running on 40mhz. I > don't feel like burning up a whole 80mhz of spectrum through, so I think > I'll be buying a PTP-650 especially since I need DFS freq's. > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I see that they sell them on the 'Trango store' now too. Pretty sweet. > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yeah, that is what I was told at Animal Farm also. It seems like doing > something specific or something in the wrong order makes them not work. > Next time I guess I'll have to follow directions, LOL. > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> > wrote: > > Jeremy, > > > > I ended up having to default the units and then follow the quick start > guide to the T. There must be some bugs to work out in the firmware cause > when I ordered them the guy told me to follow the quick start to the T. > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I also didn't follow the guide the first time. On subsequent attempts I > did, but it seemed like something was wrong with them at that point. > Anyway, it's nice to see someone having some success. The platform looks > like it has a lot of potential. > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> > wrote: > > Jeremy, > > > > Yes I had issues but I didn't call support. It took me almost 2 hours to > get the two radios to see each other but I finally got them too. I wasn't > following the PTP quick start guide like I was told to. When I initially > configured the radios I disabled the 2nd port (called WAN) in the manual. > For some reason they would not link until I turned it back on. Even though > I wasn't using the WAN port. > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I had some issues with the configuration and couldn't ever get them to > pass traffic. Did you run into any issues that required support? > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote: > > I saw that too when I was reviewing the brochure this morning. I was > just assuming they were considering this a long range product. Kurt, do > you mind telling me what those radios cost? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 7:36 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results > > > > Just got done testing a Trango Altum AC PTP link on the bench. Units are > 25db integrated panels. Did a 40mhz channel test and 80mhz via UDP. I tried > a TCP test between two RB2011's and best I seen was 175-180'ish and that > was with both 40 and 80mhz channels. CPU seemed to be maxing out on the > 2011's. > > > > Has UNI-1 bands and ISM bands. I was hoping it had the middle DFS bands > but it doesn't :( > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
