It really depends on the situation... there are certainly going to be cases where an adaptive mode makes sense, but I really expect that we're going to want to be using sync on these more often than not.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> wrote: > I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive > mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running > wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds > anyway? > > Sync isn't for every application... > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get >> out of a dynamic mode. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question >> >> 3/4 want it, it looks like! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning >>> non-sync uses. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Chuck Macenski" <ch...@macenski.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question >>> >>> >>> Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will >>> say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, >>> not to simply say "me too". As they say, if you are following, the view is >>> always the same :) >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product >>>> would be a PTP650 killer. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" < >>>> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link >>>>> goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses >>>>> completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't >>>>> want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there >>>>> are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet >>>>> another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger >>>>> permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come >>>>> back up. >>>>> >>>>> And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular >>>>> airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it >>>>> is. >>>>> >>>>> On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than >>>>> the upstream needed to sustain downstream. >>>>> >>>>> Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it >>>>> would be <5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't >>>>> a >>>>> big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a >>>>> realistic possibility. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It >>>>>> could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced >>>>>> together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more >>>>>> in >>>>>> one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is >>>>>> there a need for this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Will there be? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to >>>>>>>> slave or slave to master). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>>>>>>> li...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm talking half duplex, sorry. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince < >>>>>>>>> part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking >>>>>>>>>> adaptive duty cycle... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support >>>>>>>>>> adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc???? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
