>Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.
>We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges
That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a
politician.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 2, 2015 10:20 AM, "Matt Hardy" <m...@ubnt.com
<mailto:m...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Hi Rory,
We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone
this has taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching
NanoBeam and all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals.
The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals
now (they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate;
we'll share with you.
We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;)
At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons
the NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know
it's been frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been
for us as well. But it looks like we're almost there...
We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first).
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway
<r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that
you don’t want your competitors to know what you are doing. I
get that. At this point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s
release schedules almost a year in advance, and both they and
Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release. We
have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t
have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
ordering and deployment plans. Being secretive has no value
whatsoever. Not telling us what you know today is annoying
since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”.
It’s been “soon” for almost a year. How about some actual
facts as you know them. If there are delays, that’s fine but
just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect.
If you need more time, just tell us and we can plan
accordingly. Did the equipment pass specifications that you
believe are necessary for DFS certification in the lab and if
so, how much longer does it take to complete the process? If
it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it and adjust.
I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
particular subject.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks
of WISPS
v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release
coming "soon" ... ;)
For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab
this week, so it appears there is light at the end of the
tunnel. I wish I had more I could share, but we'll definitely
keep you updated as we get more info.
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small
selection of subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make
extensive use of it until (if?) it sees the light of day as a
real release.
...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies
on the nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install
nanobeams these days, except they don't cover all the
frequencies we need. So I grit my teeth and install more (UGH)
nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record
of SNMP support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on
it. Trying to get it right in v5.6 with our new / custom
MIB. If you guys need devices to test with, we'll be glad
to donate a few...
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically
had sketchy (and ever changing) SNMP support which is
probably one reason he is acting the way that he is.
I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or
attitude; just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect
<li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>>
wrote:
Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him
rot in his own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch
of work ahead of him that would benefit a great deal
of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
"naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like
to do it, but its too hard therefore I don't want to
do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all of you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium
thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems
ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium
thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the
million dollar code and is above everyone else when in
reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.
This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at
times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see
the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place
to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs
and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a
single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but
WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian
console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either
crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to
switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less
than 40min with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech
laptops to linux.
On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things
very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth
shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still
bought it because it was the best at what it did.
Eventually someone else will make something better
and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of
Observium thinks of WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers
(yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle
industries publically without consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies
the end? I think its because you are probably the
person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as
well as other things and are invested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of
Observium thinks of WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at
what it does do.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of
Observium thinks of WISPS
Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one
person away from his product with his personality. I
openly admitted to him his product was great but the
lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will
want to do business with a person like this who openly
calls you and everything you work for a "retard"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of
Observium thinks of WISPS
Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said,
they're usually founded on something concrete.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium
thinks of WISPS
This was on the channel #observium in open public
chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some
joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he
thinks of "wifi people". This guy is a true
professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto".
Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of
unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our
infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I
can get by without his product from now on. This is
the luxury of having many independent monitoring
systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents
for servers anyway. I literally started off with that
sentence. He added some cambium support a few months
ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.
[09:34] <Smeghead> any chance of adding more cambium
stuff soon? :)
[09:34] <adama> are they another bunch of fucktards
who make a new set of mibs for every product?
[09:35] <adama> everyone involved in wireless seems
to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs
[09:37] <adama> yup, they are
[09:38] <Smeghead> Yeah so I guess we shouldn't
support it then and all the millions of units out there.
[09:38] <adama> different set of mibs for every
fuckign product
[09:38] <adama> jesus
[09:38] <Smeghead> They unified one of their mibs
with the regular AP's
[09:38] <adama> can you english?
[09:39] <Smeghead> The interface stuff is the same
for all of them
[09:39] <Smeghead> its your standard interface mibs.
Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things
per different product
[09:40] <adama> fucking wifi people
[09:40] <adama> you guys have 12903819023810
products from 129381 vendors
[09:40] <Smeghead> If you want to be thorough with
them you could pull all sorts of stuff out.
[09:40] <adama> and you're always whining that we
should support the stuff you want
[09:40] <adama> well fuck you all
[09:40] <Smeghead> Yeah thats my fault as a consumer
of those products.
[09:41] <Smeghead> All I want to do is monitor the
best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used
next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2
fully
[09:41] <adama> meh
[09:41] <adama> get them to send us hardware
[09:41] <adama> and maybe we'll give a shit
[09:43] <Smeghead> I'll see if we can send you
cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or
set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment
for you.
[09:43] <Smeghead> I'm pretty sure I offered a few
times.
[09:49] <Smeghead> to be honest though - I don't
think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and
subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless
bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so
overwhelming
[09:57] <adama> you might as well go and hassle
jaguar engineers about how they really should build a
pickup truck
[09:57] <adama> i'm a telco/isp network person, i
don't give 2 shits about wireless
[09:57] <Smeghead> Who do you think delivers
internet to the massive areas between the major cities?
[09:58] <adama> i dunno, are we talking about
retarded countries or not?
[09:58] <Smeghead> Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59] <adama> lol
[09:59] <adama> XD
[10:01] <adama> my patience for people asking for
wireless stuff ran out long ago
[10:01] <Smeghead> Well if you want more excuses to
neglect a high percentage of industry in the world
that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its
probably too hard and too much work for you. Because
the wireless industry is retarded.
[10:01] <adama> i know it is
[10:02] <Smeghead> Yet I can make some cacti graphs
in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted.
Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the
industry is bugging you.
[10:04] <adama> go and make some cacti graphs then
[10:04] <adama> i'm really fucking sick of this shit
[10:04] <adama> it doesn't take 5 minutes to add
support for things
[10:04] <adama> especially no nfucking wireless stuff
[10:04] <adama> so just fuck off
[10:04] <adama> it's not going to happen
[10:04] <adama> and every one who asks makes it less
likely to happen
[ 10:06] <Smeghead> But I'll bet if you asked for
help you'd get it. Look I was willing to set you up a
network with all the devices you need
[10:06] <adama> excuse me whilst i replace these
32*10G bundles with some wireless
[10:06] <adama> HURR
[10:06] <adama> no
[10:06] <adama> i'd get a pile of useless shitty code
[10:06] <adama> that's the only thing we've ever
gotten from the "community"
[10:09] <aden> adama: make Observium -3rd world
edition, that only supports mikrotik and ghetto
wireless hardware
[10:09] <adama> hah
[10:10] <Smeghead> Mainly because its (Mikrotik)
like 10% of the price and does the same job and even
better in many cases.
[10:11] <adama> no, they use it because it "just
about works" and costs 10% of the price
[10:11] <Smeghead> Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some
of these other backhaul manufacturers.
[10:12] <Smeghead> and your proof is from what
experience?
[10:12] <Smeghead> Sounds like a case of "they suck
over there" and "I know all about them, I've never
worked in the industry or actually been a part of any
of it but I know what I'm talking about".
[10:13] <Smeghead> Those crazy brown people and
their silly ways. They are inferior to us.
[10:13] <adama> man, this is exactly the kind of
shit that made us go commercial in the first place
[10:14] <adama> dude
[10:14] <adama> just fuck off
[10:14] <adama> you're getting really tiring now
[10:14] <Smeghead> It takes 10x more effort to
deliver internet to remote people.. not to mention
flexibility and creativity.
[10:14] <Smeghead> Than some pompous pricks sitting
in their offices
[10:15] <adama> so what was that, remove any
existing wireless support and hope everyone else fucks
off too?
[10:16] <adama> ok then!
[10:16] <Smeghead> Hahh what wireless support?
[10:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o adama
[10:16] * You were kicked by adama (Smeghead)
Session Close: Tue Mar 31 10:16:22 2015
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