In the past, I’ve seen them both not want to give quotes for sponsored work, and say that they dislike user submissions because of, and this is my paraphrase, a combination of ‘we always have to clean it up to make it useable’ and ‘not invented here syndrome.’
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 8:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _____ From: "Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. <I digress> So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness & saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. </I digress> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _____ From: "Neil Lathwood" <neil.lathw...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge ++++. It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
