Some operators use unlimited as a marketing stretch to differentiate themselves. I personally found that the increase in growth rate and customer retention by offering unlimited made UBB unattractive. The same strategy doesn't work for everyone. Maybe I just didn't believe in it enough. To each his own. On Apr 27, 2015 6:30 AM, "Wireless Admin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Introduce usage based billing and voilà, double the modulation of > your wireless network without having to buy new equipment. > > > > Steve > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy > /sarcasm > *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 12:58 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. > > > > interesting. I wonder if this could impact video quality and buffering in > an odd way, could explain a customer issue we have had > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Josh Luthman < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Did you update the signatures? That sounds awfully generic. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Apr 26, 2015 11:47 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> wrote: > > You have got to be kidding me? CDN traffic being discarded 50%? What > exactly would this be? The Procera box picked this traffic up as "HTTP > Download" so it wasn't streaming. Only other thing I can think of is this > customer has an XBOX maybe it was downloading an update? with 50% packet > loss no wonder they called and complained, said they couldn't do > anything.... > > > reless network > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Sorry, I missed that .. :) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:50:17 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. > > > > I know. I was being sarcastic. > > It doesn't seem fair that they do TCP congestion control in a way that > doubles the traffic and we end up discarding 50% anyway, but it still fills > up our pipes. Just sayin'. > > On 4/26/2015 8:37 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > > I see that the net neutrality is going to be the next boogieman under > the bed for WISP's from now on... > > > > Please, please, please, correct your understanding on Net-Neutrality... > > > > It allows for one to traffic shape any and all kinds of traffic, as long > as :- > > a) You declare your practice on your website. > > b) You DON"T DO IT specific to A SPECIFIC Network.. i.e. all VOIP, or > all Video, or ALL Streaming.. > > (applying a throttle on video to netflix while allowing Hulu would be > considered a violation, but applying throttle to all types of video content > is NOT !) > > > > > > :) > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:12:13 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. > > > > So you'd be purposely slowing down or blocking legitimate traffic from an > edge provider to the customer? Oh no, net neutrality violation! > > So when everyone starts with the 4k streaming and we're selling the > customer 20Mbps, then we have to take on 40Mbps because of this!? > > On 4/26/2015 5:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I could justify declaring such traffic an attack and blocking the > source as malicious. > > > > *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 4:30 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. > > > > Yep, I see this all the time and Ken is exactly right. The Canopy QoS > works exactly as designed, the AP is definitely not delivering more than > the sustained rate, but is instead discarding the extra 50%. I've tested > this situation thoroughly. Stick a MT simple queue in at the upstream > router and the 2X rate traffic stops hitting the AP's ethernet interface, > but it's still coming in at double the sustained rate farther upstream. > There's no way around it except throwing bandwidth at it. > > This is CDN traffic. And when the customer thinks they can install one of > those "internet download managers" to speed up their connection. The only > thing it does is screw with TCP acks or window sizes or something which > just puts more traffic on your transit just to be discarded at the > congestion point (SM, queue, Procera, whatever). Gotta love it. > > You'd think with 70% of the internets being streaming video they'd think > hmm.. maybe we can cut down on the peering congestion by NOT doing this > crap. But no. > > On 4/26/2015 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Sorry to answer a question with a question, but are you measuring at > the SM, or at some upstream router? > > > > The reason I ask, is I have seen some CDN traffic that does not seem to > follow traditional TCP congestion control. It will send at twice the rate > limit, causing 50% packet loss to its own traffic and everything else to > that same subscriber. Evidently some TCP geniuses have decided to use > latency rather than packet loss as the indicator of congestion, and that > the objective is goodput not throughput. Works for last mile technologies > like T1 and DSL with big buffers at the head end of the fixed speed serial > connection, not so good with the type of rate limit queues we tend to use > unless we can provision the queues with big buffers. > > > > Probably not your problem, but I thought I’d bring it up just in case. > > > > *From:* Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:50 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. > > > > I have a 450 SM that is rate limited in the SM to 1500kbps download on the > sustain side. I noticed last night that this customer was pulling a steady > almost 3mbps download for several hours on end. How is this possible? Is > there a problem with 13.2 firmware? Its a 3.65ghz SM. > > > > see attached. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
